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On August 12 2013 13:55 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:52 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:51 Faruko wrote:
Wasnt Fountain Hooks confirmed part of the game and not a bug or something ? im pretty sure i read somewhere that icefrog/valve said that fountain hook wasnt going to be fixed/changed
and yes... chinesse casters are somewhat angry because Dendi freaking owned them Nothing to do with being angry or not. The gameplay is intended but the visuals not matching the effect is unintentional. That part is the bug that we're talking about. Oooh, now i get it, yeah they should fix that
http://dev.dota2.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17556&d=1376126547
There it is to have the link over here as well. Hao gets hooked without the hook projectile that can be seen ever touching him. That's the bug, not the gameplay mechanic behind it.
Basically this allows for invisible hooks in certain scenarios (or rather one hook that is visible but not hooking you PLUS a hook that's invisible but actually hooks you). Pretty damn mean if you try to dodge it lol.
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On August 12 2013 13:57 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:57 Jaeger wrote:
FWIW in the groups there was also a mag skewer relocate send back into fountain.
Anyone know if this works with chen as well? Only with wisp as far as I know.
It works with Chen.
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On August 12 2013 13:54 synapse wrote:
maaaaaan i feel like navi couldve just gone for throne and won after puck cancelled all their TPs
but such sick play from s4, and what a great finals
It might have been a little difficult. Navi did not have great tower killers. Xboct did not have strong items yet. They could have responded by buying damage items from secret shop etc and go for throne. But then Alliance would just be happy with 2 melee raxes and TP back. Then jockey to force fights against Navi. Navi might win the initial fights, but buybacks will ensure an eventual team wipe. Then they still end up 2 Raxes down.
Simply put, Xboct wasn't fat enough to be that big of a threat against Alliance and their throne.
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On August 12 2013 13:53 hyptonic wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:50 trinxified wrote:
Hopefully by TI4 all the unreleased heroes will be ready. Imagine Pitlord, Terrorblade and TECHIES bulldog is gonna learn pit lard just to piss off all the haters
Honestly I wasn't much a fan of bulldog before the last game, but that clutch necro 3 buy in navi's base and the insanely smart in-game decision making made me respect him so much as a really damn good player.
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On August 12 2013 13:59 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:54 synapse wrote:
maaaaaan i feel like navi couldve just gone for throne and won after puck cancelled all their TPs
but such sick play from s4, and what a great finals It might have been a little difficult. Navi did not have great tower killers. Xboct did not have strong items yet. They could have responded by buying damage items from secret shop etc and go for throne. But then Alliance would just be happy with 2 melee raxes and TP back. Then jockey to force fights against Navi. Navi might win the initial fights, but buybacks will ensure an eventual team wipe. Then they still end up 2 Raxes down. Simply put, Xboct wasn't fat enough to be that big of a threat against Alliance and their throne.
[A] actually took both melee and range raxes on BOTH top and bottom lanes.
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On August 12 2013 13:39 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:38 TALegion wrote:
I'm still ecstatic that Nightstalker and Chaos were very effective. Two of my favorite outcasts just crushing any doubt about their strength. Chaos wasn't all that effective in that game. Wisp and NP on the other hand..
Phantasm was useful in taking down bottom rax.
It kinda showed Alliance's resourcefulness actually. In most games CK has to snowball or he'll die off, but because Alliance messed up their start, they had to switch up their strat and the double push was a great improvisation.
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On August 12 2013 13:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
wheres...why is the stream offline?...why?
Oh you're here for the international 4 too?
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On August 12 2013 13:59 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:53 hyptonic wrote:On August 12 2013 13:50 trinxified wrote:
Hopefully by TI4 all the unreleased heroes will be ready. Imagine Pitlord, Terrorblade and TECHIES bulldog is gonna learn pit lard just to piss off all the haters Honestly I wasn't much a fan of bulldog before the last game, but that clutch necro 3 buy in navi's base and the insanely smart in-game decision making made me respect him so much as a really damn good player.
I actually didn't notice it was in enemy base.
Thank you for pointing out
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On August 12 2013 13:59 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:53 hyptonic wrote:On August 12 2013 13:50 trinxified wrote:
Hopefully by TI4 all the unreleased heroes will be ready. Imagine Pitlord, Terrorblade and TECHIES bulldog is gonna learn pit lard just to piss off all the haters Honestly I wasn't much a fan of bulldog before the last game, but that clutch necro 3 buy in navi's base and the insanely smart in-game decision making made me respect him so much as a really damn good player.
Same. If you see my old Alliance threads, I shit on Bulldog all the time. But his Prophet/LD games have really impressed me alot, especially with the item choices. But I still think he plays a junk Mag/Bat/Clock/Naix.
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On August 12 2013 14:00 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
wheres...why is the stream offline?...why? Oh you're here for the international 4 too?
Yeah the first game is EG against DK. Fear vs Burning.
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On August 12 2013 13:59 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:53 hyptonic wrote:On August 12 2013 13:50 trinxified wrote:
Hopefully by TI4 all the unreleased heroes will be ready. Imagine Pitlord, Terrorblade and TECHIES bulldog is gonna learn pit lard just to piss off all the haters Honestly I wasn't much a fan of bulldog before the last game, but that clutch necro 3 buy in navi's base and the insanely smart in-game decision making made me respect him so much as a really damn good player.
Necro Book is awesome since it also boosted the creeps. Movement speed!
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On August 12 2013 13:55 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:53 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 12 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:38 Faruko wrote:
The last game was hardly in anyones pocket to be fair, it wasnt a throw... Navi just got outplayed, it was anyones game and Alliance took it thats it
If you think that Navi throwed the game you need some more Dota 2 time Navi actually outplayed Alliance the whole game till the million dollar Dream Coil (aside from Dendi dying at Rosh). Then they loss whatever advantage they had from that moment. There was little chance Alliance would win if the Dream Coil didn't happen. How about first Rosh? If by first Rosh you mean the one where Dendi died and Puck got Aegis, then I have already mentioned it above.
You have said about Dendi dying, I was talking about his teammates.
It was Alliance who outplayed NaVi from that moment till the end of the game.
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valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed.
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On August 12 2013 14:01 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:00 CorsairHero wrote:On August 12 2013 13:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
wheres...why is the stream offline?...why? Oh you're here for the international 4 too? Yeah the first game is EG against DK. Fear vs Burning.
Hahaha DK faced EG first last year. Was this on purpose?
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On August 12 2013 14:00 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:59 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:54 synapse wrote:
maaaaaan i feel like navi couldve just gone for throne and won after puck cancelled all their TPs
but such sick play from s4, and what a great finals It might have been a little difficult. Navi did not have great tower killers. Xboct did not have strong items yet. They could have responded by buying damage items from secret shop etc and go for throne. But then Alliance would just be happy with 2 melee raxes and TP back. Then jockey to force fights against Navi. Navi might win the initial fights, but buybacks will ensure an eventual team wipe. Then they still end up 2 Raxes down. Simply put, Xboct wasn't fat enough to be that big of a threat against Alliance and their throne. [A] actually took both melee and range raxes on BOTH top and bottom lanes.
Yes I know. I said 2 melee raxes, 1 at top and 1 at bottom. They could forgo the range Rax because it's not that important. They would need to TP back (at least in CK's case) and slow down Navi's throne rush.
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On August 12 2013 13:57 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:57 Jaeger wrote:
FWIW in the groups there was also a mag skewer relocate send back into fountain.
Anyone know if this works with chen as well? Only with wisp as far as I know.
It used to work but was patched.
Fun fact: timberchain works with ToF.
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On August 12 2013 14:01 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:00 CorsairHero wrote:On August 12 2013 13:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
wheres...why is the stream offline?...why? Oh you're here for the international 4 too? Yeah the first game is EG against DK. Fear vs Burning.
Lets hope they figured out how to clone Fear by then......
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On August 12 2013 14:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:55 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:53 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 12 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:38 Faruko wrote:
The last game was hardly in anyones pocket to be fair, it wasnt a throw... Navi just got outplayed, it was anyones game and Alliance took it thats it
If you think that Navi throwed the game you need some more Dota 2 time Navi actually outplayed Alliance the whole game till the million dollar Dream Coil (aside from Dendi dying at Rosh). Then they loss whatever advantage they had from that moment. There was little chance Alliance would win if the Dream Coil didn't happen. How about first Rosh? If by first Rosh you mean the one where Dendi died and Puck got Aegis, then I have already mentioned it above. You have said about Dendi dying, I was talking about his teammates. It was Alliance who outplayed NaVi from that moment till the end of the game.
But they werent really snowballing Alliance, they just got a "decent" lead (i say that in quotations because that lead only need a good Alliance team fight to be almost 0) that was completely countered with that Rosh + team fight
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On August 12 2013 14:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:
valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed.
They thought it was hilarious until they realized that it had a tremendous impact in the game vs Tongfu, not to mention that fountain hooking is confirmed to be invisible/disjointed/w.e you want to call it.
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