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On August 12 2013 14:07 ketomai wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:05 Nosforit wrote:On August 12 2013 13:51 jigga wrote:
To all the new fans, try PLAYING dota in the meantime! It is an incredibly fun game and if you can find a friend or two to play it with I assure you you will be 100% hooked. Not only that but playing the game will help you appreciate the game at a whole new level. Honestly, I'd love to, but from a viewer standpoint, it was VERY overwhelming for me. The number of heroes, the number of spells, the variety of strategies, and the fluidity with which the game flows from strat to strat... Its scary.  I don't like being horrible at things, but I get the feeling I'd be horrible at DotA for a LONG time.  Just forget about that and pick a hero and build shit ! :D. The equivalent to mass cannon -> carrier in SC. You'll still enjoy it, and you'll learn it as you play. The heroes/items come quite quickly, but they aren't requirements to have fun with the game, IMO.
It's also a very fun part of learning dota, you discover op combos, items every game.
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On August 12 2013 14:08 superstartran wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:06 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 14:06 Scio wrote:On August 12 2013 14:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:
valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed. waitwaitwait... couldnt you fountain hook with wisp/pudge in dota1? Wisp/KotL yes, Chen no. Chen is confirmed as an intended change for DotA 2 however the visuals are currently bugged. I'm not sure if it was 'intended' as in they were fine with the gameplay mechanics, or that the developers thought it was funny and decided to leave it in. Alot of semi-pros/pros were pretty upset with the way Na'vi won against Tongfu, and many were pretty disgusted actually (Loda in particular). I'm sure they were extremely upset when they realized that the fountain hooks were actually invisible.
From the links posted on the last page, valve has not problem with the hooks and only has issue with the visual bug.
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On August 12 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:08 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 14:06 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 14:06 Scio wrote:On August 12 2013 14:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:
valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed. waitwaitwait... couldnt you fountain hook with wisp/pudge in dota1? Wisp/KotL yes, Chen no. Chen is confirmed as an intended change for DotA 2 however the visuals are currently bugged. I'm not sure if it was 'intended' as in they were fine with the gameplay mechanics, or that the developers thought it was funny and decided to leave it in. Alot of semi-pros/pros were pretty upset with the way Na'vi won against Tongfu, and many were pretty disgusted actually (Loda in particular). I'm sure they were extremely upset when they realized that the fountain hooks were actually invisible. From the links posted on the last page, valve has not problem with the hooks and only has issue with the visual bug.
I think it was acknowledged to be "too hilarious to fix."
EDIT: http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=2989&p=11512#post11512
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On August 12 2013 14:05 Nosforit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:51 jigga wrote:
To all the new fans, try PLAYING dota in the meantime! It is an incredibly fun game and if you can find a friend or two to play it with I assure you you will be 100% hooked. Not only that but playing the game will help you appreciate the game at a whole new level. Honestly, I'd love to, but from a viewer standpoint, it was VERY overwhelming for me. The number of heroes, the number of spells, the variety of strategies, and the fluidity with which the game flows from strat to strat... Its scary. I don't like being horrible at things, but I get the feeling I'd be horrible at DotA for a LONG time.
Just start playing and do things that you think are fun. Short guides on TL or other sites and a wiki to check what the fuck just killed you will go a looong way.
Figuring out why the fuck you keep dieing when there's an enemy Bloodseeker despite you running away from him is a pretty important experience. =P
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On August 12 2013 14:09 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:05 Nosforit wrote:On August 12 2013 13:51 jigga wrote:
To all the new fans, try PLAYING dota in the meantime! It is an incredibly fun game and if you can find a friend or two to play it with I assure you you will be 100% hooked. Not only that but playing the game will help you appreciate the game at a whole new level. Honestly, I'd love to, but from a viewer standpoint, it was VERY overwhelming for me. The number of heroes, the number of spells, the variety of strategies, and the fluidity with which the game flows from strat to strat... Its scary. I don't like being horrible at things, but I get the feeling I'd be horrible at DotA for a LONG time. To be fair its not really THAT hard, just start with some "easy" heroes like Sniper, Drow, Lich, Spirit Breaker, Ursa maybe to learn the mechanichs of the game (Last hit, deny, items, tp, etc...) and when you get enough "knowledge" out of the game you may try some other ones
You seriously suggesting for a new player to start with sniper, drow, ursa?
I cannot even imagine the amount of harass he will get after he feeds a few kills.
But again, just give two fucks and enjoy the game.
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If you're new to Dota2. Avoid Invoker, Visage, Wisp, Timbersaw, Meepo and a few others.
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On August 12 2013 14:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:08 superstartran wrote:On August 12 2013 14:06 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 14:06 Scio wrote:On August 12 2013 14:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:
valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed. waitwaitwait... couldnt you fountain hook with wisp/pudge in dota1? Wisp/KotL yes, Chen no. Chen is confirmed as an intended change for DotA 2 however the visuals are currently bugged. I'm not sure if it was 'intended' as in they were fine with the gameplay mechanics, or that the developers thought it was funny and decided to leave it in. Alot of semi-pros/pros were pretty upset with the way Na'vi won against Tongfu, and many were pretty disgusted actually (Loda in particular). I'm sure they were extremely upset when they realized that the fountain hooks were actually invisible. From the links posted on the last page, valve has not problem with the hooks and only has issue with the visual bug.
Read the posts, the developers thought it was 'too hilarious to fix' but it will 100% likely be reviewed, especially from such negative feedback from pro players. Just because something is 'hard' doesn't mean it should kill you instantly no matter how much farm you have.
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On August 12 2013 14:12 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:09 Faruko wrote:On August 12 2013 14:05 Nosforit wrote:On August 12 2013 13:51 jigga wrote:
To all the new fans, try PLAYING dota in the meantime! It is an incredibly fun game and if you can find a friend or two to play it with I assure you you will be 100% hooked. Not only that but playing the game will help you appreciate the game at a whole new level. Honestly, I'd love to, but from a viewer standpoint, it was VERY overwhelming for me. The number of heroes, the number of spells, the variety of strategies, and the fluidity with which the game flows from strat to strat... Its scary. I don't like being horrible at things, but I get the feeling I'd be horrible at DotA for a LONG time. To be fair its not really THAT hard, just start with some "easy" heroes like Sniper, Drow, Lich, Spirit Breaker, Ursa maybe to learn the mechanichs of the game (Last hit, deny, items, tp, etc...) and when you get enough "knowledge" out of the game you may try some other ones You seriously suggesting for a new player to start with sniper, drow, ursa? I cannot even imagine the amount of harass he will get after he feeds a few kills.
LOL didnt think about that actually, but Sniper and Drow are basic, the problem are the "pro" players that play Dota 2 pubs
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On August 12 2013 14:06 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:05 Mataza wrote:On August 12 2013 14:03 CherryNubCakes wrote:On August 12 2013 14:01 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 14:00 CorsairHero wrote:On August 12 2013 13:58 Kuroeeah wrote:
wheres...why is the stream offline?...why? Oh you're here for the international 4 too? Yeah the first game is EG against DK. Fear vs Burning. Hahaha DK faced EG first last year. Was this on purpose? Pretty sure the point is that EG probably won't get to TI4 and DK seem close to disband, if Burning is retiring. Wow if either of those become true I'll be sad as hell. Go away. :<
I like Burning as a player very much, I shed a tear when DK lost.
But as a human if the man wants his freedom, I would be the last man to force him to continue.
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On August 12 2013 14:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:06 Scio wrote:On August 12 2013 14:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:
valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed. waitwaitwait... couldnt you fountain hook with wisp/pudge in dota1? He is wrong, valve confirmed the fountain hook is intent fed, the visual bug is not.
no i'm not. intended would mean valve implemented fountain hook directly as a port from dota 1 which they did not. the mechanics for fountain hooking in dota 1 and 2 are completely different. there's a huge difference between "yeah this is the effect we wanted" vs. "oh someone found you could do that? lolol. cool. not a bug".
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Great finals ! The best team won, navi might be more flashy and probably more lucky through this whole tourney but alliance were the better team and clutch when it matters.
Somehow survived through every game and not falling asleep on the last day, no chinese boring games was a plus too .
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On August 12 2013 14:04 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 12 2013 13:55 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:53 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 12 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:38 Faruko wrote:
The last game was hardly in anyones pocket to be fair, it wasnt a throw... Navi just got outplayed, it was anyones game and Alliance took it thats it
If you think that Navi throwed the game you need some more Dota 2 time Navi actually outplayed Alliance the whole game till the million dollar Dream Coil (aside from Dendi dying at Rosh). Then they loss whatever advantage they had from that moment. There was little chance Alliance would win if the Dream Coil didn't happen. How about first Rosh? If by first Rosh you mean the one where Dendi died and Puck got Aegis, then I have already mentioned it above. You have said about Dendi dying, I was talking about his teammates. It was Alliance who outplayed NaVi from that moment till the end of the game. But they werent really snowballing Alliance, they just got a "decent" lead (i say that in quotations because that lead only need a good Alliance team fight to be almost 0) that was completely countered with that Rosh + team fight
It was a good lead. Not just decent, but rather strong lead. Alliance had little answer to Dendi. Xboct was getting bigger and bigger. They would have to play against an Enigma as well. Sure Alliance may not be entirely out, but the odds are against them. Alliance still cannot win Navi in teamfights unless they mass buybacks. That's where Alliance are very clutch as well I must admit, because throughout the tournament their mass buybacks into winning teamfights always leads to either Rosh or towers/Raxes.
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i'm happy that it wasn't a 3-0 stomp. navi proved they can go toe to toe with alliance. it could've gone either way.
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On August 12 2013 14:06 trinxified wrote:
As a side note. It really is hard to get good at Dota 2 right away. Early WC3 Dota experience is really the only reason I'm decent.
Luckily for new comers, they'll have a lot of things simplified for them, with Dota 2's easier to use interface and tutorials. Us Dota 1 players really had to learn the hard way ;p.
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Great finals.
Although Na'Vi lost in the GF again, 1 game from winning. This year really does belong to Alliance. I'm not upset they got 2nd but that's ok. At least for me, Na'Vi has proved themselves year end and year out for being one of the best consistently. And that in itself is fine with me.
Besides, which other team can boost their TI record? Winning TI1, 2nd in TI2, and 2nd in TI3 (a TI that everyone gave Alliance the win from the get go.)
But... Congrats Alliance! I'm hoping Na'Vi finds their 2nd TI championship soon.
Btw does anyone know like in game, does Na'Vi have that Aegis thing in their fountain as well? I been meaning to ask and I keep forgetting until now.
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On August 12 2013 14:19 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:06 trinxified wrote:
As a side note. It really is hard to get good at Dota 2 right away. Early WC3 Dota experience is really the only reason I'm decent. Luckily for new comers, they'll have a lot of things simplified for them, with Dota 2's easier to use interface and tutorials. Us Dota 1 players really had to learn the hard way ;p.
Legacy Keys and multiple leveled shops in the fountain made things a bit clunky.
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On August 12 2013 14:15 JoeSchmoe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:08 Plansix wrote:On August 12 2013 14:06 Scio wrote:On August 12 2013 14:03 JoeSchmoe wrote:
valve never intended to implement fountain hooking. it wasn't in dota 1. valve just left it there because they think didn't it was something that needed to be changed. waitwaitwait... couldnt you fountain hook with wisp/pudge in dota1? He is wrong, valve confirmed the fountain hook is intent fed, the visual bug is not. no i'm not. intended would mean valve implemented fountain hook directly as a port from dota 1 which they did not. the mechanics for fountain hooking in dota 1 and 2 are completely different. there's a huge difference between "yeah this is the effect we wanted" vs. "oh someone found you could do that? lolol. cool. not a bug".
As I stated, it's almost certain it's going to be changed. Multiple pro players have gone on record stating that they are against fountain hooking. Even Puppey in his own interview stated that the Pudge/Chen combination is abit 'hardcore' so even he sounds like he's not exactly sold on it being in the game, just that they used it because they had to and it was allowed.
On August 12 2013 14:18 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 14:04 Faruko wrote:On August 12 2013 14:02 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 12 2013 13:55 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:53 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On August 12 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:On August 12 2013 13:38 Faruko wrote:
The last game was hardly in anyones pocket to be fair, it wasnt a throw... Navi just got outplayed, it was anyones game and Alliance took it thats it
If you think that Navi throwed the game you need some more Dota 2 time Navi actually outplayed Alliance the whole game till the million dollar Dream Coil (aside from Dendi dying at Rosh). Then they loss whatever advantage they had from that moment. There was little chance Alliance would win if the Dream Coil didn't happen. How about first Rosh? If by first Rosh you mean the one where Dendi died and Puck got Aegis, then I have already mentioned it above. You have said about Dendi dying, I was talking about his teammates. It was Alliance who outplayed NaVi from that moment till the end of the game. But they werent really snowballing Alliance, they just got a "decent" lead (i say that in quotations because that lead only need a good Alliance team fight to be almost 0) that was completely countered with that Rosh + team fight It was a good lead. Not just decent, but rather strong lead. Alliance had little answer to Dendi. Xboct was getting bigger and bigger. They would have to play against an Enigma as well. Sure Alliance may not be entirely out, but the odds are against them. Alliance still cannot win Navi in teamfights unless they mass buybacks. That's where Alliance are very clutch as well I must admit, because throughout the tournament their mass buybacks into winning teamfights always leads to either Rosh or towers/Raxes.
Hvost was way too far behind, he was farming cheap team fight items so that they could go fight and end the game. He was basically a non factor that game. Dendi became the 1 position after Hvost got screwed on the bottom lane even with his great play of somehow beating a tri-lane for a little bit.
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post TI3 shuffle is gonna be crazy
iG prob will kick out a few members right?
who knows what Burning gonna do
Pressure will be on ACE to have top Chinese teams play more tournies, maybe we'll see them in more online tournements
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On August 12 2013 14:27 Condor Hero wrote:
post TI3 shuffle is gonna be crazy
iG prob will kick out a few members right?
who knows what Burning gonna do
Pressure will be on ACE to have top Chinese teams play more tournies, maybe we'll see them in more online tournements
iG kicked
Guy has millions
buys out Alliance
iG.Int
TheYango: not only is that 5 players leaving
TheYango: thats
Kipsate: arguably ofcourse
TheYango: wang sicong
TheYango: having money
TheYango: to BUY 5 more players
TheYango: which is also
Kipsate: dont touch my syllar
TheYango: an issue
Kipsate: or they just buy
Kipsate: Alliance
Kipsate: call it iG.Int
TheYango: LOL
Kipsate: LOL
TheYango: iG.Int
TheYango: GG
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