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I would liked to see how Alliance would fair up against Orange, but congrats Alliance!
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Too hyped time to work out my pecs then go to sleep. Playing some puck tomorrow.
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On August 12 2013 13:40 EFermi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:33 toemn wrote:On August 12 2013 13:31 EFermi wrote:On August 12 2013 13:20 BoZiffer wrote:
Man. I honestly feel like no other event can match this hype. The International has to be the gold standard of eSports. Huh? The final game was great but what was so special about the event itself? Definitely not the introduction nor winners cemeronies. The production was better than the last 20 cheaply produced SC2 events combined. Get over it, deal with it. A new era has begun. TB and Artosis switching is only the beginning.  The awards ceremony was much more anticlimactic than the last GSL.
Ok, fine. The ending ceremony (0.001% of the whole tournament) could have been done a little bit better.
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On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source?
I quickly checked the bug list and it's not a bug. However you can block pudge hook with astral titan, good to know :p
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On August 12 2013 13:48 Tricks wrote:
I would liked to see how Alliance would fair up against Orange, but congrats Alliance!
Next time!
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I always thought Valve knows about the fountain hooks, and they intentionally kept it there because they liked the idea.
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On August 12 2013 13:48 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:44 teapoted wrote:
Looking back at the final the only real disappointment I have is that no one banned wisp.
I'm not saying it's as simple as "pick wisp, win". But it makes for very snowbally games. Even that last game, Alliance had an utterly terrible start and that's the main reason it became much closer.
It amplifies your mistakes so greatly, it just seems like a bad idea even over something like a dark seer or even the naga in a high pressure situation.
Na'Vi banned naga all 5 games. But I feel that naga was only as effective against Na'Vi in the UB final because Na'Vi was running oddball wisp strats (as opposed to standard and tested wisp strats). I'd have prefered if Na'Vi banned chen/wisp and Alliance banned naix/wisp. NaVi probably has the best teamfight coordination on the world, the naga alone counters that.
i think alliance's is better, the way they use buybacks to win in the right spot is very good
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On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source?
Chinese casters.
Basically there are cases of fountain hooks (every angle that's not directly from the fountain) where the hook projectile (Pudge original position) is the one that you'd need to dodge but it's invisible while the hook visual that you see comes straight from the fountain. That's confirmed as a bug on the dev forum as well. The last pages of the day 3 thread have some insight on that by Yango.
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On August 12 2013 13:49 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source? I quickly checked the bug list and it's not a bug. However you can block pudge hook with astral titan, good to know :p
No shit, really. Huh. I did not know that. I can't wait till Titan gets into CM.
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On August 12 2013 13:49 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source? I quickly checked the bug list and it's not a bug. However you can block pudge hook with astral titan, good to know :p
His source is the Chinese stream; one of the casters mentioned it apparently. I didn't catch it though so I can't confirm.
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Great series.
Grats to Alliance for winning TI3 in such a convincing fashion.
Props for Navi for delivering such a great fight. Many of us believed Alliance would walk away with an easy 3-1 or 3-0 but Navi did manage to push them to their limit right there.
No more TI from now on, I'm back to my boring life .... 
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On August 12 2013 13:47 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source? I think it was mentioned on the Chinese streams. Kinda sad they take options out of the game but with all the backlash because of it I can kinda see why they would
I think it's even worse because they hook visuals were bugged and Tongfu couldn't properly see the hook for technical reasons.
That's what i caught wind of of at least.
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On August 12 2013 13:49 toemn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:40 EFermi wrote:On August 12 2013 13:33 toemn wrote:On August 12 2013 13:31 EFermi wrote:On August 12 2013 13:20 BoZiffer wrote:
Man. I honestly feel like no other event can match this hype. The International has to be the gold standard of eSports. Huh? The final game was great but what was so special about the event itself? Definitely not the introduction nor winners cemeronies. The production was better than the last 20 cheaply produced SC2 events combined. Get over it, deal with it. A new era has begun. TB and Artosis switching is only the beginning. The awards ceremony was much more anticlimactic than the last GSL. Ok, fine. The ending ceremony (0.001% of the whole tournament) could have been done a little bit better.
Don't worry, Mr. Chae is at Seattle, he'll surely teach Valve his ways.
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On August 12 2013 13:49 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source? I quickly checked the bug list and it's not a bug. However you can block pudge hook with astral titan, good to know :p
It's classed as a visual bug and not a gameplay bug right now because fountain hooks are intended, but the visual of the hook not matching the actual hook trajectory is NOT intended.
The last thread discussing the issue got moved to the visual bugs subforum, which is why you don't find it on the gameplay known bugs list.
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On August 12 2013 13:49 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:48 DDie wrote:On August 12 2013 13:44 teapoted wrote:
Looking back at the final the only real disappointment I have is that no one banned wisp.
I'm not saying it's as simple as "pick wisp, win". But it makes for very snowbally games. Even that last game, Alliance had an utterly terrible start and that's the main reason it became much closer.
It amplifies your mistakes so greatly, it just seems like a bad idea even over something like a dark seer or even the naga in a high pressure situation.
Na'Vi banned naga all 5 games. But I feel that naga was only as effective against Na'Vi in the UB final because Na'Vi was running oddball wisp strats (as opposed to standard and tested wisp strats). I'd have prefered if Na'Vi banned chen/wisp and Alliance banned naix/wisp. NaVi probably has the best teamfight coordination on the world, the naga alone counters that. i think alliance's is better, the way they use buybacks to win in the right spot is very good
Specially during the first rosh fight, they were behind at that point and it was pretty all in to bb at this point of the game. It paid however. So many turning points in this game, a less than 100 HP rosh!
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On August 12 2013 13:49 r.Evo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:45 Ryder. wrote:On August 12 2013 13:40 r.Evo wrote:On August 12 2013 13:34 opterown wrote:
my closing thoughts:
1) Not missing a single game of TI3 in the Australian timezone is really damn draining.
2) Fountain hooks are bullshit. I'm still fuming from that game.
3) Poor kyxy
4) I hope Burning doesn't retire, he can still do great things yet.
5) That was one of the best final games of any tournament I've ever watched
6) juff is a fucking boss for live reporting all the games. seriously, what a hero
7) China disband... or at least massive reshuffle. i expect a very interesting chinese scene for the next few months
8) Amazing production from the team. There are a lot of things they can improve about TI in general, but overall great job.
9) Thank god azarkon was banned for the main event.
10) Long live Dota 2! 2) was confirmed a bug, NaVi was not allowed to do it in the GF by Valve. I agree with everything else besides 7), they did much better than people thought considering what ACTUALLY happened and what almost no one realized. Source? Chinese casters. Basically there are cases of fountain hooks (every angle that's not directly from the fountain) where the hook projectile (Pudge original position) is the one that you'd need to dodge but it's invisible while the hook visual that you see comes straight from the fountain. That's confirmed as a bug on the dev forum as well. The last pages of the day 3 thread have some insight on that by Yango.
Its unclear how they are going to fix the bug, however. They might leave the ability to fountain hook the same, but make it so it can always be seen.
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Hopefully by TI4 all the unreleased heroes will be ready. Imagine Pitlord, Terrorblade and TECHIES
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To all the new fans, try PLAYING dota in the meantime! It is an incredibly fun game and if you can find a friend or two to play it with I assure you you will be 100% hooked. Not only that but playing the game will help you appreciate the game at a whole new level.
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On August 12 2013 13:47 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 12 2013 13:47 Dodgin wrote:
Alright so I'm hooked on watching this game now, Liquipedia shows nothing for upcoming Dota 2 events. About when should we get announcements on future competitions this year? i'll be making a dota2 LR resources thread soon heh, i'm surprised you got hooked so quickly though
That final game was seriously the single greatest thing I have ever seen in my(esports) life. Better than Squirtle Mvp, better than DRG MMA and all that.
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