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Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 11 2013 22:42 GMT
#3841
2gd hypnotized.
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
August 11 2013 22:42 GMT
#3842
Honestly, I was rooting for Na'Vi, but no one deserves a loss like that (assuming that the aegis deny DID cost them the game, which is not 100% fact). Like, it was very, very clear that all of the players were REALLY stressed out; each death was like what, $8,000?
Anyone could've made that mistake, but kyxy is going to get the shitstorm because he was the one unlucky enough to do it. Sucks. No other way to put it. Fucking. Sucks.
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
August 11 2013 22:42 GMT
#3843
The aegis didn't matter because OD only has one life anyway. It's called BKB.
Once you Goblak...
Namunelbo
Profile Joined June 2012
501 Posts
August 11 2013 22:42 GMT
#3844
At least we can listen to Burning's opinion and analysis while I'm still at a loss for words...
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3845
On August 12 2013 07:39 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time.

I've seen some sick FGC matches that wouldn't be possible without winner's advantage.

Plus it's called double-elimination for a reason, so that everyone can lose once and still stay in the tournament

I've tried to give this explanation in the past because people whine a lot, but the advantage is in having to play another series.

Also, the tournament goes in stages. There's prelims, there's playoffs, and then there's finals. Up to that point it doesn't matter what your record is as long as you reach the finals. You can go 0-14 in group stages and make it to the grand finals. Is that more or less fair than a team being "eliminated" before grand finals and being even when you play the match? Not really.
hootsushi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany3468 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3846
On August 12 2013 07:39 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time.

I've seen some sick FGC matches that wouldn't be possible without winner's advantage.

Plus it's called double-elimination for a reason, so that everyone can lose once and still stay in the tournament


That's just how TI rolls, Na'Vi came TI2 from the winner bracket and lost horribly to iG, so it feels good this time to not have insurmountable odds against them. Alliance, which are almost invincible + winner bracket advantage. Dear god.
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3847
On August 12 2013 07:42 FinestHour wrote:
witch doctor am i

I see what you did there.
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3848
I don't usually like cosplay, but enigma/ogremagi/enigma cosplay are fun as hell
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3849
On August 12 2013 07:42 Galek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:40 nojok wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:39 tomatriedes wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time.


Agreed.

Disagreed.

Well Alliance would play 2 games instead of 3 no big deal in this specific finals


It will be 3:0 i cant see any other way around that.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3850
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.

Hm? If you give 1 game advantage people moan.
If you give no game advantage people moan.

Hmmm.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3851
On August 12 2013 07:40 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:39 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

You don't take psychological effect in account.
Nobody is saying that if Aegis was on Orange it was like instant win, but the game wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
Anyone who denies that is a blind NaVi fanboy.

Oh I am sure that fucked with them. However, its their job to recover and you can't claim otherwise.

I am saying NaVi got incredibly lucky and people are making sound like it was the biggest comeback in history of Dota, that's it.

It was a great comeback. Orange fucked up, Na'vi took advantage and pressed it. That's how games are won. When someone fumbles in football and it leads to a turn around, you don't say that its not a comeback. It was a great comeback.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3852
On August 12 2013 07:43 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:42 FinestHour wrote:
witch doctor am i

I see what you did there.

he actually says that in game

when WD gets an illusion rune
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
cchriss
Profile Joined June 2009
United States912 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3853
On August 12 2013 07:43 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:42 Galek wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:40 nojok wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:39 tomatriedes wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time.


Agreed.

Disagreed.

Well Alliance would play 2 games instead of 3 no big deal in this specific finals


It will be 3:0 i cant see any other way around that.

It might be 3:1.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3854
just realized that Day[9] is a Witch Doctor

http://i.imgur.com/S2qaZ.gif
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 11 2013 22:43 GMT
#3855
On August 12 2013 07:42 Warfie wrote:
neiyaaa teiyaaa

thats shadow shaman
© Current year.
yyfpulls
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2185 Posts
August 11 2013 22:44 GMT
#3856
On August 12 2013 07:39 WindWolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:38 Asha` wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.


No one likes game advantages. They make for fucking boring finals 80% of the time.

I've seen some sick FGC matches that wouldn't be possible without winner's advantage.

Plus it's called double-elimination for a reason, so that everyone can lose once and still stay in the tournament


Winner bracket advantage is terrible, having to play less games is enough.
I've seen way too many disappointing sc2 finals because of Winner's Advantage.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
August 11 2013 22:44 GMT
#3857
On August 12 2013 07:41 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:37 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

You don't take psychological effect in account.
Nobody is saying that if Aegis was on Orange it was like instant win, but the game wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
Anyone who denies that is a blind NaVi fanboy.


"Anyone who disagrees with me is clearly a fanboy so I can dismiss their opinions"

>The game would have been about as bad.
> the game wouldn't have ended so abruptly.

How about actually reading people's posts?
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
August 11 2013 22:44 GMT
#3858
On August 12 2013 07:43 Slomo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:37 TheButtonmen wrote:
What a very fucked up format.

Valve not even giving a games advantage to winners bracket is fucked.

Hm? If you give 1 game advantage people moan.
If you give no game advantage people moan.

Hmmm.

Let them deal with it.

Organizer said so. Still better than MLG
If nobody hates you, you´re doing something wrong. However someone hating you doesn´t make you right
Ianuus
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 22:45:48
August 11 2013 22:44 GMT
#3859
On August 12 2013 07:34 Kishin2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

Not true. The gold lead wasn't large at all. Experience was ~10k even though Orange had an over 10 kill advantage. The deny was definitely unfortunate, but Na'Vi showed greater composure and deserve it.


Aegis is the best counter to BKBs. You heard what puppey said, focus the OD and the bane, ignore everyone else even if they get kills. What happens when OD has aegis and you blow your ults and BKBs on his first life? He comes back, ults your team, kills 2 or 3 of them, mops up the rest and takes your rax. OJ could have used their earlygame advantage gained by poor play by Na'vi and taken high ground with the aegis, but yeah.

Missing the aegis means missing the timing push, which is the backbone of Orange's strategy and really crucial due to Navi's better lategame draft. Na'vi didn't do anything extraordinary to win, not like the epic fountain hooks against Tongfu, and even failed hard early game. This game is a pure throw by Orange, and the band of Navi fanboys denying this just shows that most of them don't know jack about dota and just like Navi because Dendi picks pudge once in a while.

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Man I miss LightofHeaven
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
August 11 2013 22:44 GMT
#3860
On August 12 2013 07:41 Fruscainte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 07:37 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:35 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:33 VAGZ wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:31 Plansix wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:29 anonymitylol wrote:
On August 12 2013 07:28 AlexYs wrote:
rofl so many butthurt na'vi haters in here..pathetic.


so many blind navi fanboys too, acting like navi are gods and they made a miraculous comeback, when it was clear that orange was on tilt after that aegis deny

Yeah, its called being cool under pressure. Its the sign of a great team.

The salty Orange fans are funny. Orange is a great team and played really well, but couldn't hold it together in the end.


That had nothing to do with it. If they didn't deny the aegis Na'Vi lost, simple as that.

People who are far better at Dota 2 disagree with you. Even with the aegis, they might not have been able to break the base. They have one damage source that was losing steam.

You don't take psychological effect in account.
Nobody is saying that if Aegis was on Orange it was like instant win, but the game wouldn't have ended so abruptly.
Anyone who denies that is a blind NaVi fanboy.


"Anyone who disagrees with me is clearly a fanboy so I can dismiss their opinions"

The game would have been about as bad. Orange had one damage dealer and everyone on Na'Vi were getting BKB's and frankly he was losing steam. Na'Vi had an overall better lineup and the gap wasn't that big to begin with.

The aegis was embarrassing but it wouldn't have made a huge difference. Maybe one more half of a teamfight would have been in their favor.

EDIT:

KACI PLS

ignore darkseid, every since this ti started he has been flaming na'vi and calling everyone who defends them a fanboy
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