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On November 25 2013 13:25 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:21 Piledriver wrote:On November 25 2013 13:20 the`postman wrote:
imagine this team if arteezy never had to leave and they still had the bone7 offlane+arteezy mid combo. Well they won so many games on the back of Singsing's insane mirana play, so I dont know. bone is a superior mirana im pretty sure
Nope.
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On November 25 2013 13:21 Piledriver wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:20 the`postman wrote:
imagine this team if arteezy never had to leave and they still had the bone7 offlane+arteezy mid combo. Well they won so many games on the back of Singsing's insane mirana play, so I dont know.
It's simple. Wait for Rtz to graduate. Kick EE and move Singsing to the one position. Get a new sponsor and win TI4
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Speed's really good but i don't think they're [A] or Na'vi level yet.
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On November 25 2013 13:28 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:24 plogamer wrote:On November 25 2013 13:19 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 25 2013 13:17 Retvets wrote:On November 25 2013 13:14 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 25 2013 13:14 canikizu wrote:On November 25 2013 13:10 ZeaL. wrote:On November 25 2013 13:06 Orome wrote:
This feels pretty tragic as a DK fan. An almost perfect tourney marred by a terrible last 3 games. Even the first game was pretty bad.
I won't pretend to be any sort of Dota expert, but I really don't understand DK's drafts in this finals. Why a solo Alch top in game 2, why Mushi on a hero that doesn't seem like it suits his playstyle game 3. Yeah. Mid veno, roaming wisp, solo alch vs a clinkz/visage. QQ yeah if you've been playing non stop 6 games of 60+ min, dat happens. You really think 2 60 games from the Navi series affects a team that practices 10 hours day? Can we please stop making excuses for a very good team that simply got beat by a better team? Do you think a competitive game is similar to normal practice game? There's literally not enough rest time for players between games ... esp betwen 2nd semi and the final. Also didnt understand why 2/3rd seeds get more rest between semi and final compared to the 1st seed Do you think 2 hours is comparable to 10 hours? Stop making excuses just becasue you're a DK fan. Own up, they got beat. A) The pressure of playing in the semis and finals are definitely more fatiguing than normal practice. B) Even a little bit of fatigue, slightest delay on reaction, slightest misjudgement will get punished at such high level of game. C) Any professional athlete would want to be as fresh and rested as possible before such a big match. D) This is not an attack on Speed gaming, stop being so hostile and defensive like your little ego has anything to do with them. This was an amazing series regardless. Give me a break. No one in this tournament including Na'Vi and Alliance were even close to the performance of Speed. Speed just outplayed, they were by far the best team at MLG.
Really? By FAR? They were the best time but DK was definitely up there losing a 2-1 series and having the better round robin.
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On November 25 2013 13:30 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:21 Piledriver wrote:On November 25 2013 13:20 the`postman wrote:
imagine this team if arteezy never had to leave and they still had the bone7 offlane+arteezy mid combo. Well they won so many games on the back of Singsing's insane mirana play, so I dont know. It's simple. Wait for Rtz to graduate. Kick EE and move Singsing to the one position. Get a new sponsor and win TI4
I've heard this story before.
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On November 25 2013 13:25 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:21 Piledriver wrote:On November 25 2013 13:20 the`postman wrote:
imagine this team if arteezy never had to leave and they still had the bone7 offlane+arteezy mid combo. Well they won so many games on the back of Singsing's insane mirana play, so I dont know. bone is a superior mirana im pretty sure
Bone plays a good mirana as well, but sing has proven to be very good and consistent with the hero at the highest stage.
I think sing edge him out in this regard
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On November 25 2013 13:28 hifriend wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:24 plogamer wrote:On November 25 2013 13:19 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 25 2013 13:17 Retvets wrote:On November 25 2013 13:14 ch33psh33p wrote:On November 25 2013 13:14 canikizu wrote:On November 25 2013 13:10 ZeaL. wrote:On November 25 2013 13:06 Orome wrote:
This feels pretty tragic as a DK fan. An almost perfect tourney marred by a terrible last 3 games. Even the first game was pretty bad.
I won't pretend to be any sort of Dota expert, but I really don't understand DK's drafts in this finals. Why a solo Alch top in game 2, why Mushi on a hero that doesn't seem like it suits his playstyle game 3. Yeah. Mid veno, roaming wisp, solo alch vs a clinkz/visage. QQ yeah if you've been playing non stop 6 games of 60+ min, dat happens. You really think 2 60 games from the Navi series affects a team that practices 10 hours day? Can we please stop making excuses for a very good team that simply got beat by a better team? Do you think a competitive game is similar to normal practice game? There's literally not enough rest time for players between games ... esp betwen 2nd semi and the final. Also didnt understand why 2/3rd seeds get more rest between semi and final compared to the 1st seed Do you think 2 hours is comparable to 10 hours? Stop making excuses just becasue you're a DK fan. Own up, they got beat. A) The pressure of playing in the semis and finals are definitely more fatiguing than normal practice. B) Even a little bit of fatigue, slightest delay on reaction, slightest misjudgement will get punished at such high level of game. C) Any professional athlete would want to be as fresh and rested as possible before such a big match. D) This is not an attack on Speed gaming, stop being so hostile and defensive like your little ego has anything to do with them. This was an amazing series regardless. Give me a break. No one in this tournament including Na'Vi and Alliance were even close to the performance of Speed. Speed just outplayed, they were by far the best team at MLG.
Just stating some basic facts. Speed played amazing - I loved how they saved their team with quadruple force staves.
If you look at overall performance, DK came out top of their group. Just saying'.
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wait which match are they sending now ?!
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On November 25 2013 13:29 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:25 Denzil wrote:On November 25 2013 13:21 Piledriver wrote:On November 25 2013 13:20 the`postman wrote:
imagine this team if arteezy never had to leave and they still had the bone7 offlane+arteezy mid combo. Well they won so many games on the back of Singsing's insane mirana play, so I dont know. bone is a superior mirana im pretty sure Sing's Mirana is like Dendi's pudge, is ability to land arrows that change games is unparalleled. Bone probably has a better offlane mirana, but as a pure Mirana player other teams fear and respect, SingSing's is unparalleled
After this tournament, Sing is the undisputed #1 mirana. DK first banned him first ban in games 1 and 3, and in game two his mirana did a fantastic job (arguably the clutch game).
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I don't think i can dispute sing's mirana. it's not a gimmick, he times his arrows so well and throws it at angles that doesn't make it obvious
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On November 25 2013 13:35 Kuroeeah wrote:
I don't think i can dispute sing's mirana. it's not a gimmick, he times his arrows so well and throws it at angles that doesn't make it obvious
That's why it's funny to see him play mirana in pubs. They never go where he assumes them to go and misses arrows, because they're not pro players.
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If only there is a tournament that will use the coach system. I want to use how teams compare if they all use a coach like Ehome did in ESWC
I think Speed's strongest lineup will be something like
pie,aui/ee support
bone7 offlane
arteezy mid
sing/ee carry
With the one guy not playing being coach.
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Name a hero other than Mirana that SingSing is better at in the 3 role than bOne7.
They're all good players, but if anything this tournament has shown Arteezy is a god-tier mid and Speed either had limited (dual lane) or lackluster (Clockwerk et al) options for Sing in the offlane.
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Can we stop arguing, as much as I dislike Singsing im glad that Speed won and Sing played very well in nearly every game at MLG, Congrats to Arteezy and the rest of Speed
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I don't think sing is a good carry. He certainly isn't good at offlane, as mirana aside he had a quiet tournament. His best position is mid, which coincidentally is where rtz is strongest at too. Ee is not a good carry and can be replaced. But changing him changes the whole essence of the team. They have a very unique style because of EE. Personally when it comes to playmaking solo mid, sing should be playing. When it comes to core mid like TA OD, rtz is better. Exception of course is to mirana.
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On November 25 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:
I don't think sing is a good carry. He certainly isn't good at offlane, as mirana aside he had a quiet tournament. His best position is mid, which coincidentally is where rtz is strongest at too. Ee is not a good carry and can be replaced. But changing him changes the whole essence of the team. They have a very unique style because of EE. Personally when it comes to playmaking solo mid, sing should be playing. When it comes to core mid like TA OD, rtz is better. Exception of course is to mirana.
Is there any good carry free agents atm?
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On November 25 2013 13:39 broodbucket wrote:
Name a hero other than Mirana that SingSing is better at in the 3 role than bOne7.
They're all good players, but if anything this tournament has shown Arteezy is a god-tier mid and Speed either had limited (dual lane) or lackluster (Clockwerk et al) options for Sing in the offlane.
What that has to do with anything? bone7 is the best offlaner because *shock* he is a offlaner, sing is a mid and only had 1 month or so to practice that position and still did a good job.
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This thread is hilarious. They win MLG and suddenly half of you people start shouting 'kick sing' 'kick EE' 'kick bone'.
Pathetic.
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On November 25 2013 13:45 mjxn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:
I don't think sing is a good carry. He certainly isn't good at offlane, as mirana aside he had a quiet tournament. His best position is mid, which coincidentally is where rtz is strongest at too. Ee is not a good carry and can be replaced. But changing him changes the whole essence of the team. They have a very unique style because of EE. Personally when it comes to playmaking solo mid, sing should be playing. When it comes to core mid like TA OD, rtz is better. Exception of course is to mirana. Is there any good carry free agents atm?
Not really, and even if their were, kicking EE destroys the team's style, his sacrificial carry style and odd builds are hit or miss, but as this tourney has shown, he has what it takes...I'm also fairly sure the team really likes him and wouldn't kick him.
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On November 25 2013 13:45 mjxn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:
I don't think sing is a good carry. He certainly isn't good at offlane, as mirana aside he had a quiet tournament. His best position is mid, which coincidentally is where rtz is strongest at too. Ee is not a good carry and can be replaced. But changing him changes the whole essence of the team. They have a very unique style because of EE. Personally when it comes to playmaking solo mid, sing should be playing. When it comes to core mid like TA OD, rtz is better. Exception of course is to mirana. Is there any good carry free agents atm?
Korok is available :d
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