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On November 25 2013 13:42 DucK- wrote:
I don't think sing is a good carry. He certainly isn't good at offlane, as mirana aside he had a quiet tournament. His best position is mid, which coincidentally is where rtz is strongest at too. Ee is not a good carry and can be replaced. But changing him changes the whole essence of the team. They have a very unique style because of EE. Personally when it comes to playmaking solo mid, sing should be playing. When it comes to core mid like TA OD, rtz is better. Exception of course is to mirana.
Dude, I think any fucking carry player in the world can play like Black, TC or Burning. Look at what happened to Burning today when he went solo Alch top. He made 0 impact in the game, whereas EE plays like that in 5-6 out of 10 games where his supports just abandon him, but he still makes a huge impact in the game.
Its easy to be a top farmer if you get supports baby sitting you all the time in lane for omgwtfbbq gpm. It's much harder to find a carry who creates space for his supports to roam around, find their own farm and boost the other lanes, while still managing to perform respectably.
And if I had any doubts on EE before this tournament, he pretty much disproved it with his carry play through this tournament. He is a carry who uniquely suits speed's playstyle.
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Kinda dislike EE, mainly because of his voice, but this was just a sick win. Gratz.
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On November 25 2013 15:15 SongByungWewt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 14:05 the`postman wrote:On November 25 2013 13:59 SongByungWewt wrote:
So much ridiculous hype. Bone7 is a fantastic player and Speedgaming is stronger with him on the team. RTZ got caught out many many times as ET. He was also way too aggro with his OD in game 1 and lost it for the team. I don't get what all this hype is about. RTZ played well, but he still had plenty of mistakes. The question isn't if they are better with bone7, he's clearly a better 3 than Sing. The question spurred by this tournament was where does sing fit in. It seems very unlikely they'd change the roster but if they are able to win this huge of a LAN with Arteezys limited schedule maybe it wouldn't be impossible for him to return. Although visa issues could be a long term problem. And who knows if Arteezy could leave the America's. It's not much of a question. RTZ is not better than Sing. I can't believe people are actually suggesting that considering how he played. He got caught out and died unnecessarily so SO many times. Far more than Sing ever did. And Sing set up and won quite a number of fights for the team. Blind people I guess.
Don't know how you can watch the games the past two days and definitively say sing is a better mid than RTZ. I mean look at the list of mids that arty ran through in the past two days, he outplayed literally every other top tier mid player, and he consistently turns that outplay into the highest networth on his team.
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On November 25 2013 15:37 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 15:15 SongByungWewt wrote:On November 25 2013 14:05 the`postman wrote:On November 25 2013 13:59 SongByungWewt wrote:
So much ridiculous hype. Bone7 is a fantastic player and Speedgaming is stronger with him on the team. RTZ got caught out many many times as ET. He was also way too aggro with his OD in game 1 and lost it for the team. I don't get what all this hype is about. RTZ played well, but he still had plenty of mistakes. The question isn't if they are better with bone7, he's clearly a better 3 than Sing. The question spurred by this tournament was where does sing fit in. It seems very unlikely they'd change the roster but if they are able to win this huge of a LAN with Arteezys limited schedule maybe it wouldn't be impossible for him to return. Although visa issues could be a long term problem. And who knows if Arteezy could leave the America's. It's not much of a question. RTZ is not better than Sing. I can't believe people are actually suggesting that considering how he played. He got caught out and died unnecessarily so SO many times. Far more than Sing ever did. And Sing set up and won quite a number of fights for the team. Blind people I guess. he's saying bone7 is a better 3 than singsing besides, rtz was the primary playmaker all throughout yesterday and today, no idea why you're harping on him so much. really though we should be celebrating the support play in today's series, stellar play from lanm & pld.
Nobody is arguin that bone is a better offlane lol, sing only had 1 month to practice in that position (and still performed).
The point is that people are suggesting that speed should replace either sing or bone for rtz, which is retarded (he's not better than either), and yes, rtz had a pretty good run this mlg but that doesn't change the fact that he is excessively over-hyped (e.g: A-god/best mid in the west/etc).
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Watching vods for the final now.
Btw: MLG vids where? Found in OP
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Is there a link to the ending ceremony
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Gratz to Speed Gaming. They really played well, RTZ landing some sick OD ulti's and dodging so many concoctions.
I was hoping for DK to win, sigh.. Burning 2nd game Alch was really sad, and drafting Veno for Mushi is really questionable going into the decider game...why?! should really go back to Mushi drafting rather than Burning's.
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On November 25 2013 16:21 SilverStar wrote:
Watching vods for the final now.
Btw: MLG vids where? Found in OP
Nowhere yet but on Vilat or other twitch channels, but in the client you can watch them.
Just watched the final, EE is pretty disappointing with clinkz, running around like a headless chicken during teamfights while he's not even a target and he could just right click people. (like the teamfight at the 50th minute mark in game 3)
I like him but he was in constant panic mode this game during fights =D
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so whats with bonez7 now? I mean it seemed like arteezy fit so well into the roster, I feel kind of bad for bonez7. Do you guys thinkg they will kick him and take in arteezy instead?
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On November 25 2013 16:33 JoeTheHoe wrote:
so whats with bonez7 now? I mean it seemed like arteezy fit so well into the roster, I feel kind of bad for bonez7. Do you guys thinkg they will kick him and take in arteezy instead?
i doubt it. i like singsing mid more than arteezy tbh. and bone7 is a sick 3 player
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On November 25 2013 16:33 JoeTheHoe wrote:
so whats with bonez7 now? I mean it seemed like arteezy fit so well into the roster, I feel kind of bad for bonez7. Do you guys thinkg they will kick him and take in arteezy instead?
Artz still cant play fulltime
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On November 25 2013 16:07 the`postman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 15:15 SongByungWewt wrote:On November 25 2013 14:05 the`postman wrote:On November 25 2013 13:59 SongByungWewt wrote:
So much ridiculous hype. Bone7 is a fantastic player and Speedgaming is stronger with him on the team. RTZ got caught out many many times as ET. He was also way too aggro with his OD in game 1 and lost it for the team. I don't get what all this hype is about. RTZ played well, but he still had plenty of mistakes. The question isn't if they are better with bone7, he's clearly a better 3 than Sing. The question spurred by this tournament was where does sing fit in. It seems very unlikely they'd change the roster but if they are able to win this huge of a LAN with Arteezys limited schedule maybe it wouldn't be impossible for him to return. Although visa issues could be a long term problem. And who knows if Arteezy could leave the America's. It's not much of a question. RTZ is not better than Sing. I can't believe people are actually suggesting that considering how he played. He got caught out and died unnecessarily so SO many times. Far more than Sing ever did. And Sing set up and won quite a number of fights for the team. Blind people I guess. Don't know how you can watch the games the past two days and definitively say sing is a better mid than RTZ. I mean look at the list of mids that arty ran through in the past two days, he outplayed literally every other top tier mid player, and he consistently turns that outplay into the highest networth on his team.
Please name which matchups he won mid against which players. I am really interested to see what you are basing your comments on.
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Rebroadcast on mlg.tv currently Navi vs DK game 2
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On November 25 2013 16:48 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 16:33 JoeTheHoe wrote:
so whats with bonez7 now? I mean it seemed like arteezy fit so well into the roster, I feel kind of bad for bonez7. Do you guys thinkg they will kick him and take in arteezy instead? Artz still cant play fulltime
true but also he stated something in his interview with cyborgmatt saying that now everything is different since it was so great to see the crowd and play on the stage blabla
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On November 25 2013 17:28 JoeTheHoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 16:48 SilverStar wrote:On November 25 2013 16:33 JoeTheHoe wrote:
so whats with bonez7 now? I mean it seemed like arteezy fit so well into the roster, I feel kind of bad for bonez7. Do you guys thinkg they will kick him and take in arteezy instead? Artz still cant play fulltime true but also he stated something in his interview with cyborgmatt saying that now everything is different since it was so great to see the crowd and play on the stage blabla
Ah I thought that also his parents had some influence on it.
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Can I find the VODs of the MLG stream anywhere?
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Ah I thought that also his parents had some influence on it.[/QUOTE]
I just saw this interview with arteezy after they have won
there is another one with singsing
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On November 25 2013 17:38 SilverStar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2013 17:28 JoeTheHoe wrote:On November 25 2013 16:48 SilverStar wrote:On November 25 2013 16:33 JoeTheHoe wrote:
so whats with bonez7 now? I mean it seemed like arteezy fit so well into the roster, I feel kind of bad for bonez7. Do you guys thinkg they will kick him and take in arteezy instead? Artz still cant play fulltime true but also he stated something in his interview with cyborgmatt saying that now everything is different since it was so great to see the crowd and play on the stage blabla Ah I thought that also his parents had some influence on it.
He still has to finish high school (probably next may-june) regardless so there's no possible way for him to go to China (if that's what "Speed" is going to do) regardless of if he changes his mind or not. His interview with hotbid said he was interested in forming a possible TI4 qualifier team with another unnamed guy (Demon?).
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