On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote: I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong..
I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
Tobi argued too much with Draskyl during the casts over things he shouldnt because his game knowledge isnt up to it. Any seemingly cliquey pickiness came out of that for me. Except for James but then James will take a shot at anyone.
I hate the stereotype that Tobi has 0 game knowledge because it just isn't true, James just likes to be argumentative and doesn't like to admit when he is wrong.
yea wtf is this "his game knowledge isn't up to it," as if he hasn't watched literally 1000s of games, and probably played 1000+ himself (his dotabuff is not current). Can anyone explain why someone with that background couldn't argue or discuss the game beyond surface level play-by-play ?
On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote: I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong..
I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
Tobi argued too much with Draskyl during the casts over things he shouldnt because his game knowledge isnt up to it. Any seemingly cliquey pickiness came out of that for me. Except for James but then James will take a shot at anyone.
I hate the stereotype that Tobi has 0 game knowledge because it just isn't true, James just likes to be argumentative and doesn't like to admit when he is wrong.
yea wtf is this "his game knowledge isn't up to it," as if he hasn't watched literally 1000s of games, and probably played 1000+ himself (his dotabuff is not current). Can anyone explain why someone with that background couldn't argue or discuss the game beyond surface level play-by-play ?
It's just because there are times where Tobi has said something wrong, and then people jump on that because he was the voice of western Dota for so long. He's not Ayesee, but on the flip side, I do think Draskyll understands the game significantly better than he does
Tobi is a top Caster and functions very well with others. Evidence for this fact can be found in hundreds of vods. I dont understand all the hate he gets, when he does nothing wrong. I myself have critizised him for shitty things he did in the past and will do so in the future, but I also give him credit when he deserves it. His cast during Dreamhack were very good, so props to him.
On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote: I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong..
I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
Tobi argued too much with Draskyl during the casts over things he shouldnt because his game knowledge isnt up to it. Any seemingly cliquey pickiness came out of that for me. Except for James but then James will take a shot at anyone.
I hate the stereotype that Tobi has 0 game knowledge because it just isn't true, James just likes to be argumentative and doesn't like to admit when he is wrong.
yea wtf is this "his game knowledge isn't up to it," as if he hasn't watched literally 1000s of games, and probably played 1000+ himself (his dotabuff is not current). Can anyone explain why someone with that background couldn't argue or discuss the game beyond surface level play-by-play ?
It's just because there are times where Tobi has said something wrong, and then people jump on that because he was the voice of western Dota for so long. He's not Ayesee, but on the flip side, I do think Draskyll understands the game significantly better than he does
Draskyll does understands DotA 2 better than Tobi, but he still misses some key points. I don't know what is this all about, I liked this combo of casters in this Dreamhack, even though I don't agree with everything they were saying, it was quite ok for me at least.
On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote: I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong..
I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
Tobi argued too much with Draskyl during the casts over things he shouldnt because his game knowledge isnt up to it. Any seemingly cliquey pickiness came out of that for me. Except for James but then James will take a shot at anyone.
I hate the stereotype that Tobi has 0 game knowledge because it just isn't true, James just likes to be argumentative and doesn't like to admit when he is wrong.
yea wtf is this "his game knowledge isn't up to it," as if he hasn't watched literally 1000s of games, and probably played 1000+ himself (his dotabuff is not current). Can anyone explain why someone with that background couldn't argue or discuss the game beyond surface level play-by-play ?
It's just because there are times where Tobi has said something wrong, and then people jump on that because he was the voice of western Dota for so long. He's not Ayesee, but on the flip side, I do think Draskyll understands the game significantly better than he does
Draskyll does understands DotA 2 better than Tobi, but he still misses some key points. I don't know what is this all about, I liked this combo of casters in this Dreamhack, even though I don't agree with everything they were saying, it was quite ok for me at least.
I think the commentators were fine. Tobi did a good job (though I wish he got more hype for Fly's black hole on Day 1 haha) Draskyll, Tobi, and Pyrion were an odd group that ended up doing well. It's not the casters' fault that the matches/series weren't all that compelling.
Hmm when they're showing the captains mode picking screen, is that some kind of custom screen that Dreamhack is using? Or is this the new in-game look?
On December 01 2013 12:25 fuzzy_panda wrote: Hmm when they're showing the captains mode picking screen, is that some kind of custom screen that Dreamhack is using? Or is this the new in-game look?
On December 01 2013 06:15 Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo wrote: Man, it really wasn't much fun watching like what, 9 rollover games for all the last matches? That and the lack of production quality (long paused and the god damn audio issues) really took away from this dreamhack :/
dh allways has a schedule, cant change that
Yeh but when even the pauses between games of a match last 20-30mins, be it for TV or whatever reasons, then it's kinda annoying.
I actually think they should be more transparent on this issue. Discuss with the teams how much time they need between games and then put in a countdown for the next game. The separation between games won't go away.
After a 90 min game you need a 15 min break before the next game. Same after two medium long games in a row. Otherwise you get mediocre Dota with a lot of mistakes.
A BO5 can't be played without breaks, scheduling them in seems a better idea than just having them.
On December 01 2013 23:53 Zaphid wrote: Any chance the VoDs will make it to youtube ? I can't choose lower quality and the 1080p makes it unwatchable on my connection
This seems to be a recording of the Finals:
Just searching youtube for 'Dreamleague' gives quite a few results
On December 01 2013 23:53 Zaphid wrote: Any chance the VoDs will make it to youtube ? I can't choose lower quality and the 1080p makes it unwatchable on my connection
I found it hilarious (but kinda unprofessional) that they played darude sandstorm in game 3... Tobi says that was the super strategy that they were talking about :D
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