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On December 01 2013 06:39 _SpiRaL_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:37 jntkflow wrote:
This was easily the most boring tournament in the history of Dota 2. Four 3-0's. Not a single contentious series past the initial day.
Dreamhack needs to bring back the BYOC and more teams, because this trend of bringing in 4 teams only to a LAN playoffs is getting old fast. This format lacks variety in matchups and almost devoid of storylines. Nothing Dreamhack did wrong, it just happened it that way. The players play the games. I think a bigger tournament with more teams would also be an idea of course, but the "boring" factor here was out of their hands. Navi best team in the world post TI3?
Not sure about world but west no doubt, for some reason everyone still thought it was alliance, even after losing two finals to navi.
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As I said in an earlier post, fnatic went all in with a necrobook strategy. They were banking that navi would not want to go ck wisp aggressive, since they will be laning enchant and facing an additional sunstrike. They key was to ensure enchant has no place in the radiant jungle, but they failed at it. Things just went worst after.
The SK pick is for one main reason: a good setup for sunstrike. Personally I think SD is better, but I guess they really wanted a stunner. The wr pick screwed them up, because it limits their draft.
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On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote:
I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong..
I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
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On December 01 2013 06:34 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:On December 01 2013 06:28 goody153 wrote:On December 01 2013 06:24 cecek wrote:
Na'Vi once again proving they're the best team at adjusting their playstyle over the course of a tournament. They barely won against Liquid and got 3-0'd by Fnatic, and today they pretty much stomped Alliance and Fnatic 6-0.
Also, the music is WAY TOO FUCKING LOUD. well yeah navi has always been the best team for like 4 years straight .. its so hard to change that .. to alliance credit despite having to lose to navi 3-0 .. they were still the best in the group stages only losing 2 maps .. and they are doing good even though they are not adapting to the newest patch .. and to fanatic well they are not on the same page as navi,dk or alliance (i still have no idea how they 3-0 alliance and looking like trash against navi in all games) Actually, they 3-0 Na`Vi, and won over 2-1 over Alliance. But Na`Vi didn't play their best dota yesterday whatsoever, but today is another story. and alliance is still not playing their godlike mode like their form in 6.78 .. or maybe i'm just overthinking and having bias because of me being a alliance fan ever since TI3
Gotta love how everyone just talks about Alliance when DK didn't lose a single match in 6.78.
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On December 01 2013 06:40 calippo wrote:
dota 2 players so far ahead of sc2 players :-P
I disagree i think they have their own pros and cons. In terms of mechanics and how difficult the game is then sc2 is way ahead of dota 2. In terms of popularity, complexity, team planning(yes in all MOBA games the one with the best plan wins alot), coordination with team(teamwork) and how fun the game is(i have been playing both MOBA and rts for a long time to say that MOBA is more fun since it doesnt pressure you like when you play rts but that doesnt mean its not hard) then id say say dota 2 is more fun.
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On December 01 2013 06:43 cecek wrote:
How many concurrents did the finals hit?
Not sure but it was definitely over 100,325
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On December 01 2013 06:45 DucK- wrote:
As I said in an earlier post, fnatic went all in with a necrobook strategy. They were banking that navi would not want to go ck wisp aggressive, since they will be laning enchant and facing an additional sunstrike. They key was to ensure enchant has no place in the radiant jungle, but they failed at it. Things just went worst after.
The SK pick is for one main reason: a good setup for sunstrike. Personally I think SD is better, but I guess they really wanted a stunner. The wr pick screwed them up, because it limits their draft.
SD became a really underrated hero, not a single team is picking him recently.
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On December 01 2013 06:46 Incze wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:43 cecek wrote:
How many concurrents did the finals hit? Not sure but it was definitely over 100,325
Just for one stream.
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On December 01 2013 06:46 Lucumo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:34 goody153 wrote:On December 01 2013 06:30 Ramiz1989 wrote:On December 01 2013 06:28 goody153 wrote:On December 01 2013 06:24 cecek wrote:
Na'Vi once again proving they're the best team at adjusting their playstyle over the course of a tournament. They barely won against Liquid and got 3-0'd by Fnatic, and today they pretty much stomped Alliance and Fnatic 6-0.
Also, the music is WAY TOO FUCKING LOUD. well yeah navi has always been the best team for like 4 years straight .. its so hard to change that .. to alliance credit despite having to lose to navi 3-0 .. they were still the best in the group stages only losing 2 maps .. and they are doing good even though they are not adapting to the newest patch .. and to fanatic well they are not on the same page as navi,dk or alliance (i still have no idea how they 3-0 alliance and looking like trash against navi in all games) Actually, they 3-0 Na`Vi, and won over 2-1 over Alliance. But Na`Vi didn't play their best dota yesterday whatsoever, but today is another story. and alliance is still not playing their godlike mode like their form in 6.78 .. or maybe i'm just overthinking and having bias because of me being a alliance fan ever since TI3 Gotta love how everyone just talks about Alliance when DK didn't lose a single match in 6.78.
thats not surprising they are the fan favorites if the name is not "na'vi" and usually people in like them more than the a chinese superstar team
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On December 01 2013 06:45 scoobex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote:
I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong.. I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
Tobi argued too much with Draskyl during the casts over things he shouldnt because his game knowledge isnt up to it. Any seemingly cliquey pickiness came out of that for me. Except for James but then James will take a shot at anyone.
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On December 01 2013 06:37 jntkflow wrote:
This was easily the most boring tournament in the history of Dota 2. Four 3-0's. Not a single contentious series past the initial day.
Dreamhack needs to bring back the BYOC and more teams, because this trend of bringing in 4 teams only to a LAN playoffs is getting old fast. This format lacks variety in matchups and almost devoid of storylines.
Did you actually watch the games or are do you pay attention to LANs just to complain about set scores and storylines?
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Xboct doing the best trolling in an interview of DH.
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Around 200k, 100k on english, 90k on russian and 10k ingame.
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On December 01 2013 06:46 Incze wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:43 cecek wrote:
How many concurrents did the finals hit? Not sure but it was definitely over 100,325
Pretty sure i read 190k over all DH streams on twitter (mid series?). Also 80k Chinese at some point as well.
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Looking at Dreamleague as a whole, it was quite enjoyable, despite ending on 3-0 sweeps for the last 4 games. I'll miss the exteeeends and bembembems most of all  .
On another note, even though it never went to the 5th game, I'm convinced that Bo5s are way too tiring, not only to the players, but also to us viewers. I'd be happy if tournaments stuck to Bo3s overall.
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On December 01 2013 06:46 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:40 calippo wrote:
dota 2 players so far ahead of sc2 players :-P I disagree i think they have their own pros and cons. In terms of mechanics and how difficult the game is then sc2 is way ahead of dota 2. In terms of popularity, complexity, team planning(yes in all MOBA games the one with the best plan wins alot), coordination with team(teamwork) and how fun the game is(i have been playing both MOBA and rts for a long time to say that MOBA is more fun since it doesnt pressure you like when you play rts but that doesnt mean its not hard) then id say say dota 2 is more fun.
woosh.
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On December 01 2013 06:45 scoobex wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote:
I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong.. I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there.
yeh what's up with this... very sad
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On December 01 2013 06:48 Sbrubbles wrote:Looking at Dreamleague as a whole, it was quite enjoyable, despite ending on 3-0 sweeps for the last 4 games. I'll miss the exteeeends and bembembems most of all . On another note, even though it never went to the 5th game, I'm convinced that Bo5s are way too tiring, not only to the players, but also to us viewers. I'd be happy if tournaments stuck to Bo3s overall.
Yea I agree, there were some good games. I like Bo5 finals but if we could have some more teams than 4 would be happy for it to be Bo3.
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On December 01 2013 06:46 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:40 calippo wrote:
dota 2 players so far ahead of sc2 players :-P I disagree i think they have their own pros and cons. In terms of mechanics and how difficult the game is then sc2 is way ahead of dota 2. In terms of popularity, complexity, team planning(yes in all MOBA games the one with the best plan wins alot), coordination with team(teamwork) and how fun the game is(i have been playing both MOBA and rts for a long time to say that MOBA is more fun since it doesnt pressure you like when you play rts but that doesnt mean its not hard) then id say say dota 2 is more fun.
he was talking about the champagne
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On December 01 2013 06:47 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 06:45 scoobex wrote:On December 01 2013 06:37 Chessz wrote:
I thought Tobi did a good job and I liked the casting set up. All the picking on Tobi really made it so awkward and unprofessional. Not to mention James' "logic" was wrong.. I agree, it seemed the GD studio guys were very cliquey and just tried to dismiss most of the stuff Tobi said, some high school shit right there. Tobi argued too much with Draskyl during the casts over things he shouldnt because his game knowledge isnt up to it. Any seemingly cliquey pickiness came out of that for me. Except for James but then James will take a shot at anyone.
I hate the stereotype that Tobi has 0 game knowledge because it just isn't true, James just likes to be argumentative and doesn't like to admit when he is wrong.
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