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gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
October 05 2015 04:09 GMT
#581
On October 05 2015 13:05 DucK- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2015 12:55 gaijindash wrote:
Yeah I thought as much. Sometimes spectre just feels so easy though, if your team plays reasonably youre just a ticking time bomb.

I should be less lazy

have you noticed SEA mmr being particularly bad lately duck? Seems like theres heaps more griefers and ragers since reborn started


Well I can't comment since I've been playing customs :S


I had a gemTD binge the other week
Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says 'I will try again tommorow'
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18918 Posts
October 05 2015 14:45 GMT
#582
On October 05 2015 12:03 DucK- wrote:
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On October 05 2015 11:39 gaijindash wrote:
I cant decide if I like this hero better than other i.e. slark for mmr grinding. The hero cant do much early and on sea server a game can be very much over by 20 mins.


Slark wins. It is a no contest. Not even close.

Is slark even good this patch?

He was god awful last patch, but I guess lot of heroes that were good against him aren't played now. Not sure about the speed of this patch either.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-05 14:52:14
October 05 2015 14:51 GMT
#583
lina storm lesh all nerfed. as a result, antimage isnt picked as often. pl is still annoying to deal with and now everyones playing doom
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
October 05 2015 23:52 GMT
#584
Its pretty easy to get out of control on slark now once you have SB. Especially with all the shadowfiends and windrunners, and without all the storms and leshes and linas
Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says 'I will try again tommorow'
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
October 07 2015 08:15 GMT
#585
this hero has been plaguing all my games lately, i.e. someone on my team always picks her and farms so freaking slowly even with massive space. and theyre always assholes to boot!

what is happening??
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Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
October 07 2015 11:26 GMT
#586
She wins no matter what after 30-35 mins if both teams play to win
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 07 2015 11:53 GMT
#587
Heh, I have the opposite experience. She almost never wins unless "carried". And falling behind early seems to be the norm.

Even games Ive played offlane in 2-1-2 setups and both me and our mid does well, our safelane spectre seems to get 25min radiance. So by the time she comes online we've almost cleared out all enemy T2s and the enemy team is largely pushed back to their base. Yea sure its a lategame insurance, but it really feels like you have to carry her way longer than you should have to with any carry. And if theres no one on the team to help her get that radiance at any descent timing it seems you just lose.
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 14:33:45
October 07 2015 14:31 GMT
#588
I recently had a game on Spectre where I was shoved into position 4 past the early laning phase by an uncooperative and greedy team, and still outcarried the other team's position 1 anti-mage at 40 minutes. The assist gold and radiance buffs are just that effective on her.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
October 07 2015 14:36 GMT
#589
On October 07 2015 23:31 Buckyman wrote:
I recently had a game on Spectre where I was shoved into position 4 past the early laning phase by an uncooperative and greedy team, and still outcarried the other team's position 1 anti-mage at 40 minutes. The assist gold and radiance buffs are just that effective on her.


Pretty much what I experienced mostly. Similarly, last night I got rekt by a radi phoenix in a clowny game because of how ridiculous the miss chance of the radi is.
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 16:46:28
October 07 2015 16:45 GMT
#590
On October 07 2015 23:31 Buckyman wrote:
I recently had a game on Spectre where I was shoved into position 4 past the early laning phase by an uncooperative and greedy team, and still outcarried the other team's position 1 anti-mage at 40 minutes. The assist gold and radiance buffs are just that effective on her.


This. During the laning phase you need to just not die and tank up with cheap items, the most effective probably being PMS, Aquila, and Urn. From that point you just need to be effective with haunt usage and the Radiance timing should usually be reasonable even if the safe lane was "hard". The initial CS in lane isn't that important, the experience in lane is FAR more important.
14CC
Profile Blog Joined May 2015
93 Posts
October 07 2015 16:50 GMT
#591
On October 08 2015 01:45 dutchfriese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2015 23:31 Buckyman wrote:
I recently had a game on Spectre where I was shoved into position 4 past the early laning phase by an uncooperative and greedy team, and still outcarried the other team's position 1 anti-mage at 40 minutes. The assist gold and radiance buffs are just that effective on her.


This. During the laning phase you need to just not die and tank up with cheap items, the most effective probably being PMS, Aquila, and Urn. From that point you just need to be effective with haunt usage and the Radiance timing should usually be reasonable even if the safe lane was "hard". The initial CS in lane isn't that important, the experience in lane is FAR more important.

Wand & Power Treads!!
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
October 07 2015 17:55 GMT
#592
On October 08 2015 01:50 14CC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 01:45 dutchfriese wrote:
On October 07 2015 23:31 Buckyman wrote:
I recently had a game on Spectre where I was shoved into position 4 past the early laning phase by an uncooperative and greedy team, and still outcarried the other team's position 1 anti-mage at 40 minutes. The assist gold and radiance buffs are just that effective on her.


This. During the laning phase you need to just not die and tank up with cheap items, the most effective probably being PMS, Aquila, and Urn. From that point you just need to be effective with haunt usage and the Radiance timing should usually be reasonable even if the safe lane was "hard". The initial CS in lane isn't that important, the experience in lane is FAR more important.

Wand & Power Treads!!


the value that you get from aquilla, the str from urn (and the dmg), and the new phase boots for haunt all outclass a wand + PT build atm. imo, anyway. and im more of a treads person, myself.
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gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
October 08 2015 00:21 GMT
#593
Im playing carry atm and my rotation is basically Slark 60% AM 20% Spectre 20%. Sometimes you look at how the draft is progressing and see that youll be able to get a decent start and just pick Spectre for a very easy win.

Also I agree with chunderboy who said AC late is core on this hero, hes 100% right
Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says 'I will try again tommorow'
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
October 08 2015 05:00 GMT
#594
On October 08 2015 02:55 BluemoonSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 01:50 14CC wrote:
On October 08 2015 01:45 dutchfriese wrote:
On October 07 2015 23:31 Buckyman wrote:
I recently had a game on Spectre where I was shoved into position 4 past the early laning phase by an uncooperative and greedy team, and still outcarried the other team's position 1 anti-mage at 40 minutes. The assist gold and radiance buffs are just that effective on her.


This. During the laning phase you need to just not die and tank up with cheap items, the most effective probably being PMS, Aquila, and Urn. From that point you just need to be effective with haunt usage and the Radiance timing should usually be reasonable even if the safe lane was "hard". The initial CS in lane isn't that important, the experience in lane is FAR more important.

Wand & Power Treads!!


the value that you get from aquilla, the str from urn (and the dmg), and the new phase boots for haunt all outclass a wand + PT build atm. imo, anyway. and im more of a treads person, myself.

i dont think the new phase boots are better than the old ones in most cases for haunt because the problem was rarely getting to them for the first hit, it was getting the 2nd and 3rd hits, which a longer duration/smaller buff was better for i think
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PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
October 08 2015 12:18 GMT
#595
When would you get AC? Straight after radiance, or as a 4-5th big item?
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lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-08 12:31:39
October 08 2015 12:26 GMT
#596
i also get AC on spectre on almost all of my games. Mostly after radiance or depending on the situation after rad/heart or manta. My most common item progression is tango/magic wand/phase to a vit booster and/or roh then radiance. then more often than not after radiance i get AC. My most common skill build is 4-1-1-1 then max desolate
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Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
October 08 2015 14:08 GMT
#597
On October 08 2015 21:18 PoulsenB wrote:
When would you get AC? Straight after radiance, or as a 4-5th big item?

In my opinion, 3rd-5th item. After Radiance I would still get Manta/Heart/Skadi first.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
October 08 2015 15:42 GMT
#598
i would prefer manta/heart for the hp first. after radiance is around the timing where most of the dmg is still from spells, so would rather hp than armour. also hp makes armour more effective etc...
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7711 Posts
October 09 2015 09:16 GMT
#599
Is vanguard still viable as a pre-radiance sustain/survivabiliy item? If it is, what should be the buildup? Stout/regen/branches > brown boots > quelling > phase > vit booser into full vanguard?

I feel vanguard would be quite alright in lower level pubs, where there are a lot of random fights and lots of people go for the urn, making it impractical to get for the Spectre player (with all the pudges and huskars running around).
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makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-09 10:37:46
October 09 2015 10:36 GMT
#600
On October 09 2015 18:16 PoulsenB wrote:
Is vanguard still viable as a pre-radiance sustain/survivabiliy item? If it is, what should be the buildup? Stout/regen/branches > brown boots > quelling > phase > vit booser into full vanguard?

I feel vanguard would be quite alright in lower level pubs, where there are a lot of random fights and lots of people go for the urn, making it impractical to get for the Spectre player (with all the pudges and huskars running around).

It's p.good in my experience, you can get it by 8 minutes with this buildup and it makes you feel much more comfortable farming lanes after the laning phase, plus you can actually farm jungle without biting your fingernails off all the time. If you are unsure about your farming capabilities in a particular game, just get a vit booster and then decide whether to finish it and then start saving for radi or to get radi as soon as possible, with the vit booster being used later for the heart. The sooner you get radi the better, since burning haunt will be that much more deadly and you can skew the game in your favor much quicker.

Urn is p.good against pudger AND huskar since it's pure damage, and you shouldn't be manmoding huskar until much later anyway.
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