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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 23 2015 08:31 GMT
#541
wait what recent nerfs??
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 10:28:22
September 23 2015 10:24 GMT
#542
indirect nerfs: silver edge (40% )
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 12:26:34
September 23 2015 12:26 GMT
#543
6.82b nerfs coz of gold change memes which later got fixed and spectre didnt get rebuffed
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ChunderBoy
Profile Joined August 2011
3242 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-23 12:26:28
September 23 2015 12:26 GMT
#544
doubepost
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juracule
Profile Joined November 2013
292 Posts
September 23 2015 16:51 GMT
#545
She's gotten plenty of nerfs both direct and indirect
-Diffusal rework (lowered manabreak)
-Repeated Refresher CD nerfs
-MS nerf
-Haunt damage nerf
-Introduction of glimmer cape forcing an early gem
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
September 23 2015 18:33 GMT
#546
I'm still bitter about the MS nerf
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 24 2015 08:32 GMT
#547
ya got rekt so hard
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Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
September 25 2015 00:37 GMT
#548
After the change of boots and desolate i will go Phase Boots with 1-4-1-1 route. PT attack speed nerfed, and desolate can actually help farming.

What do you think about Dispersion change?
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 25 2015 00:45 GMT
#549
dispersion change is a buff to casual cloak heheheheh woooooooo

and as someone noted in the other thread, heroes will low armor will die faster and take more damage when she has high armor (having a high ehp:hp ratio relative to opponents increases how much damage dispersion puts out now) but it decreases dispersion damage to enemy carries with higher armor
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-25 01:15:50
September 25 2015 00:49 GMT
#550
Spectre dispersion is a buff unless a hero with higher armor is physically hitting you. Even then their supports still receive more damage. Desolate working on creeps is huge on recovery farm in the jungle. Pretty sure this hero is broken now.

What i posted in the 6.85 thread.

Still go power treads. You need attack speed (and int treads) to farm big camps. I'm guessing go mana items like bottle on top of aquila, spam dagger and kill low hp neutrals first.

Actually i wonder if vlads is good on this hero now for jungle sustain. It's only 1k+ more than aquila.
Deleted User 261926
Profile Joined April 2012
960 Posts
September 25 2015 04:19 GMT
#551
On September 25 2015 09:49 babysimba wrote:
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Spectre dispersion is a buff unless a hero with higher armor is physically hitting you. Even then their supports still receive more damage. Desolate working on creeps is huge on recovery farm in the jungle. Pretty sure this hero is broken now.

What i posted in the 6.85 thread.

Still go power treads. You need attack speed (and int treads) to farm big camps. I'm guessing go mana items like bottle on top of aquila, spam dagger and kill low hp neutrals first.

Actually i wonder if vlads is good on this hero now for jungle sustain. It's only 1k+ more than aquila.

Eh then you'd have to ask yourself why you're upgrading your morbid mask to make a vlad.
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
September 25 2015 12:38 GMT
#552
you shouldn't be getting a morbid mask on this hero

if sustain is a concern for you, pick up a casual RoH..slight cost reduction this patch is quite nice and with the (awesome) desolate buff, you'll be killing things pretty quickly in the jungle, so lifesteal won't be an issue.

RoH + Aquila will be more than sufficient for sustain on her this patch.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 25 2015 12:43 GMT
#553
I mean, RoH and Morbid Mask is like 50 gold difference with Morbid actually providing more sustain when you are hitting shit. And as much as i like desolate buff (even if i think it's going wrong way), it's not going to help you do much until you get to last creep.
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
September 25 2015 14:16 GMT
#554
Well rtz is either a prophet or had an advance copy of the patch notes. The dispersion damage is totally legit for early jungle.

I'm too lazy to check but if vanguard block interacts well with the new dispersion I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being really good as a stepping stone to radi.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 25 2015 14:34 GMT
#555
On September 25 2015 23:16 Belisarius wrote:
Well rtz is either a prophet or had an advance copy of the patch notes. The dispersion damage is totally legit for early jungle.

I'm too lazy to check but if vanguard block interacts well with the new dispersion I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being really good as a stepping stone to radi.

vanguard block does interact well, and i'm tempted to say it's going to be underrated, but getting vanguard is a big commitment and i still think you should only get it if you can't survive otherwise.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 25 2015 14:43 GMT
#556
On September 25 2015 23:34 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2015 23:16 Belisarius wrote:
Well rtz is either a prophet or had an advance copy of the patch notes. The dispersion damage is totally legit for early jungle.

I'm too lazy to check but if vanguard block interacts well with the new dispersion I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being really good as a stepping stone to radi.

vanguard block does interact well, and i'm tempted to say it's going to be underrated, but getting vanguard is a big commitment and i still think you should only get it if you can't survive otherwise.

Maybe you just keep the stout and get a RoH for laning and make the call on the vit booster later on. I do think there are a lot of games where a stepping stone item before radiance would be good. Depends on how must of a disaster your pub game is.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 25 2015 14:46 GMT
#557
yea it's usually some mix of phase/treads, stout/pms, roh/morbid mask (rtz gets mask but yea idk i think its for easier games than roh), aquila, urn, casual cloak, drums, and vanguard, with vanguard being for the toughest earlygames
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6230 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-25 15:11:04
September 25 2015 14:58 GMT
#558
Spec's pre-radi build is always going to be a complex read on her entire team's position. If they can create kills for her to KS it's obviously going to be better to go urn/aquila/yasha etc and be active, but vanguard is now for hard games, rather than previously where it was for "fuck this we lost" games.

Her skillbuild is also a lot more interesting now. All three of her skills could be maxed first in different scenarios. Vanguard games are probably max dispersion hide-in-jungle games, and urn/aquila games want dagger or desolate.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 27 2015 14:29 GMT
#559
On September 25 2015 23:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea it's usually some mix of phase/treads, stout/pms, roh/morbid mask (rtz gets mask but yea idk i think its for easier games than roh), aquila, urn, casual cloak, drums, and vanguard, with vanguard being for the toughest earlygames

I like how you write a laundry list of items but don't include Orb of Venom. Oov is absolutely core on spectre, because it works with Haunt illusions.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
September 27 2015 15:09 GMT
#560
On September 27 2015 23:29 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 25 2015 23:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea it's usually some mix of phase/treads, stout/pms, roh/morbid mask (rtz gets mask but yea idk i think its for easier games than roh), aquila, urn, casual cloak, drums, and vanguard, with vanguard being for the toughest earlygames

I like how you write a laundry list of items but don't include Orb of Venom. Oov is absolutely core on spectre, because it works with Haunt illusions.

Oh come on, that's a bad way to embarass yourself. No, OoV does not work with illusions (haunt ones included).
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