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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
January 04 2015 00:29 GMT
#281
Why is bf a bad item on Spectre?
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
January 04 2015 00:53 GMT
#282
On January 04 2015 09:29 Seeker wrote:
Why is bf a bad item on Spectre?

you can't take advantage of the faster farm speed it offers like you can with antimage. it doesn't add to your survivablity. it doesn't synergise in any way with your ultimate.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-04 01:26:57
January 04 2015 01:26 GMT
#283
nevermind.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 04 2015 03:11 GMT
#284
its mostly that radis so much better
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 05 2015 18:04 GMT
#285
ok, so i just realized this hero has the best kda out of all my heroes and a great winrate @ 80%+

however, i dont know when to adjust my skill build.

if im in a difficult lane, i usually get PMS so if i get the chance to last hit, i dont take too much harassment..is it ever worth maxing dispersion in this scenario? i understand that i wont do as much to solo targets, but in these kinds of games, i am rarely 1v1'ing someone...its usually a clusterfuck in an effort to slow me down. so was my decision correct to do so?
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Beirut
Profile Joined January 2011
United States673 Posts
January 05 2015 19:12 GMT
#286
On January 06 2015 03:04 BluemoonSC wrote:
ok, so i just realized this hero has the best kda out of all my heroes and a great winrate @ 80%+

however, i dont know when to adjust my skill build.

if im in a difficult lane, i usually get PMS so if i get the chance to last hit, i dont take too much harassment..is it ever worth maxing dispersion in this scenario? i understand that i wont do as much to solo targets, but in these kinds of games, i am rarely 1v1'ing someone...its usually a clusterfuck in an effort to slow me down. so was my decision correct to do so?


Dispersion scales terribly; if you can't survive in a lane with a PMS and 1 lvl of dispersion, you should just leave the lane to jungle or call in supports to help secure it. Extra levels give only a 4% increase in damage reduction, and not having levels in Desolate really weakens your ability to get pickoffs with early haunts. I really don't think it's an option but others are probably more experienced than me.

Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
January 05 2015 19:42 GMT
#287
It scales terribly, it's definitely worth the value point if you are taking any sort of harass but after that it's definitely not worth it. If you are taking a lot of harass but NOT A TON OF BURST get a roh after the PMS and brown boots. That will enable you to stay in lane, you can jungle ok, and later on you turn it into a RFO.

Early points in desolate is insanely important, its the key to you hitting lvl 6 and being able to get some kills and assists while still being decent during the laning stage
Churrass
Profile Joined October 2013
573 Posts
January 05 2015 19:50 GMT
#288
sometimes you have to swallow your pride and build a vanguard
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 05 2015 20:55 GMT
#289
hmmm ok, that makes sense. i'll have to try the casual roh. how does that go w/ your midgame items?
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Varth
Profile Joined August 2010
United States426 Posts
January 05 2015 21:58 GMT
#290
You generally have pms/qb/boots/radiance/tp/roh. If you are getting great farm and the other team is relatively squishy I just go straight RFO after radiance. I've not lost a game yet where I had a sub 28 minute RFO out of the 8 games I've gone for it.

Generally the items you want after the radiance are either heart, rfo, or yasha into one of those 2. Heart is the safer build because the buildup is fantastic since the vit booster is cheap and increased your hp by 25% or so which is very significant, where as the RFO buildup is pretty terrible beyond the roh until it's completed.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 05 2015 22:07 GMT
#291
manta is fairly good after radiance
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BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8910 Posts
January 05 2015 22:13 GMT
#292
i like a casual yasha. would yasha -> heart be acceptable?
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 06 2015 01:07 GMT
#293
if u already have yasha just finish manta
mantas one of the highest dps items for spec
ncsix
Profile Joined February 2012
1370 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-06 01:43:16
January 06 2015 01:43 GMT
#294
On January 06 2015 05:55 BluemoonSC wrote:
hmmm ok, that makes sense. i'll have to try the casual roh. how does that go w/ your midgame items?


Casual RoH is really good, a lot of people say Urn is good too and I agree, but that depends on more factors - your style of play and the actual game itself, you need to actively seek ganks or assists to get urn charges to heal, that in itself is pretty risky and could potentially lose you a lot of farming time or worse, death and gold loss.

Getting Quelling blade -> Magic stick -> Phase boots -> RoH (in no particular order, if I can get away with it, I go QB into RoH) lets you to stay in lane and farm the jungle. Just as long as you're not far too under-leveled, its all the "mid-game" items you need till Radiance, I would say Radiance is probably your mid-game item. After Radiance as others have mentioned, you can build on your RoH for RO, I normally get a manta first.

An alternate Spec build is the urn, vanguard, blade mail, diffusal / manta build. Its makes for a pretty fun mid-game with a lot ganking potential instead of farming for radiance.

govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
January 06 2015 03:21 GMT
#295
On January 06 2015 10:43 ncsix wrote:
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On January 06 2015 05:55 BluemoonSC wrote:
hmmm ok, that makes sense. i'll have to try the casual roh. how does that go w/ your midgame items?


Casual RoH is really good, a lot of people say Urn is good too and I agree, but that depends on more factors - your style of play and the actual game itself, you need to actively seek ganks or assists to get urn charges to heal, that in itself is pretty risky and could potentially lose you a lot of farming time or worse, death and gold loss.

Getting Quelling blade -> Magic stick -> Phase boots -> RoH (in no particular order, if I can get away with it, I go QB into RoH) lets you to stay in lane and farm the jungle. Just as long as you're not far too under-leveled, its all the "mid-game" items you need till Radiance, I would say Radiance is probably your mid-game item. After Radiance as others have mentioned, you can build on your RoH for RO, I normally get a manta first.

An alternate Spec build is the urn, vanguard, blade mail, diffusal / manta build. Its makes for a pretty fun mid-game with a lot ganking potential instead of farming for radiance.



Urn cancels blinkdagger, op item.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 06 2015 20:42 GMT
#296
On January 06 2015 10:07 Dead9 wrote:
if u already have yasha just finish manta
mantas one of the highest dps items for spec

Mantas one of the highest dps items for spec IF and only IF you are picking off an isolated target that is not even near neutrals or lane creeps... won't talk other heroes.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
January 06 2015 21:08 GMT
#297
u can pick what hero u go on with ulti...
also desolate works next to neutrals
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 06 2015 21:19 GMT
#298
On January 07 2015 06:08 Dead9 wrote:
u can pick what hero u go on with ulti...
also desolate works next to neutrals

1. You wasted haunt for pick-offs? Those pick-offs better be really worth it, understand?

2. It's tricky, sometimes (if neutrals are in aggro mode), it does not.
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
January 06 2015 21:27 GMT
#299
Pretty pretty pretty sure the GK build with Radiance RFO into Agi items is the best build right now. Still he does that Eblade stacking shit whereas I'm also pretty sure Skadi->Bfly is a bit more reliable. The concept is right though. Double Haunt simply wins fights so if your team can force them it's very easy to come out on top.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
January 06 2015 21:51 GMT
#300
On January 07 2015 06:27 hariooo wrote:
Pretty pretty pretty sure the GK build with Radiance RFO into Agi items is the best build right now. Still he does that Eblade stacking shit whereas I'm also pretty sure Skadi->Bfly is a bit more reliable. The concept is right though. Double Haunt simply wins fights so if your team can force them it's very easy to come out on top.

It is, despite ice frog nerfing it like 3 times already. Also, did not his eblade stacking came like after 5 slots completed (diffsusal 2-manta-bots-rfo-rad)?
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