EPTFor pure long-term usefulness, Treads are going to be better than Phase, but it's not that uncommon that a kill opportunity will show up that Phase will help you get.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
For pure long-term usefulness, Treads are going to be better than Phase, but it's not that uncommon that a kill opportunity will show up that Phase will help you get. | ||
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
On September 09 2014 10:45 ahw wrote: phase also helps spectres weak laning a lot more than treads does early, especially if ur bad like me Consider this, a lot of people are bad at farming. Treads helps you farm quicker. | ||
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
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Avs
Korea (North)857 Posts
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Surprise.820
United Kingdom1276 Posts
On September 09 2014 19:36 Divine-Sneaker wrote: I think the +24 damage works as a crutch to lasthit for a lot of people not at the top of the foodchain. Considering how many people can't even lasthit with 100 damage, I think they'll have a lot of trouble doing so with less than 50. Treads hardly helps in this regard whereas Phase puts you more or less on par with the average amount of damage for the time you'll usually buy them. Chances are you're going to be supported vs a solo match up so you likely aren't really going to be starving for the last hits outside of 1v1s. I don't really see the need in more damage in that sense. Get a QB from sideshop after Poorman's or something. Also treads accelerates your farming speed for jungling and getting off faster desolate damage in general. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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govie
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
Granted I go for diffusal/yasha into manta diffusal next so pt helps me out much more, but if you are going radiance phase would probably be the better choice since just post radiance most of your teamfight contribution comes from radiance burn instead of actively hitting stuff. | ||
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
On September 09 2014 20:35 Surprise.820 wrote: Chances are you're going to be supported vs a solo match up so you likely aren't really going to be starving for the last hits outside of 1v1s. I don't really see the need in more damage in that sense. Get a QB from sideshop after Poorman's or something. Also treads accelerates your farming speed for jungling and getting off faster desolate damage in general. I didn't say I agree with getting phase the majority of the time. I said bad pubbies can't lasthit for shit, and they might gain more from the bonus damage in terms of ability to not fuck up their lasthitting. For pubs who can't lasthit with 50 damage, it doesn't even matter if the opposing offlane is entirely zoned out, they just need more damage and phase might be a compelling choice. | ||
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Trustworthy-Tony
Tanzania187 Posts
On September 11 2014 03:40 Divine-Sneaker wrote: I didn't say I agree with getting phase the majority of the time. I said bad pubbies can't lasthit for shit, and they might gain more from the bonus damage in terms of ability to not fuck up their lasthitting. For pubs who can't lasthit with 50 damage, it doesn't even matter if the opposing offlane is entirely zoned out, they just need more damage and phase might be a compelling choice. Or they could just get better. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14893 Posts
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On the topic of treads. I get them if I'm under pressure, or in conjunction with a midas. If they have people who nuke really hard, or if I'm going to be jungling a bit more than I'd like the treads tend to be quite a bit better. If I get a midas on spectre (the rare times I do) then stacking the IAS just feels right  Oh and if its past 12 minutes and you are completing boots, just get the treads unless you feel kiting will be an issue. Phase are better if you get them earlier. I will usually open with quelling blade on her for the last hitting, and generally go into PMS and ferry over more regen on the courier if I think the lane calls for it. I think her last hitting can be pretty easy after you play a few games with her. Her agi gain is pretty decent too so it naturally goes up fairly well. I've done relic rushes with just brown boots/PMS and found the last hitting more than adequate. The first few levels can be quite the struggle though, particularly if you are new on the hero. | ||
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juracule
292 Posts
however refresher nerf is annoying salve tango shield 2xbranch (gk goes tango shield quelling) - pms, RoH, brown boots - either radiance/diffusal first (radiance better diffusal if u have a difficult game) - refresher. as for skill points its fairly open to whatever you think is better, he almost never maxes dispersion, I always go 1-4-11 and then take stats and ult. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
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juracule
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
Edit: If its relevant I am only like 3500 mmr, and I am aware that improved lasthitting will help this problem but in the meantime? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On September 29 2014 11:14 Atreides wrote: So, I played 4 games on spectre yesterday, went pms urn treads early in every game and thought it was amazing, BUT my farm is not good enough so that with these early game items Im at like a 22min relic. At this point my teammates (either pubs or friends) universally flame me and say "dude dont buy radiance its too late, get something useful". So I just buy a diffusal and focus on fighting, but this makes it VERY hard to farm for the rest of the game. Should I just ignore them and be ok with 25-26 min radiance? Obviously I could lasthit better, but in all these games I had at most 1 death and participated in 2 or 3 kills min by 15 mins. Seems to be very relevant early participation power for such a good lategame carry but I really want to build the radiance. I did win all these games easily btw. Edit: If its relevant I am only like 3500 mmr, and I am aware that improved lasthitting will help this problem but in the meantime? Ignore them. That timing is good enough. There are very very very few situations where I'd say to skip the Radiance. It's just too good in so many ways. Spectre is terrible at farming before the radiance, and having 22 minute radiance/treads/urn/pms is a respectable timing. Ignore your pubs. I've had plenty of games where I get 25-35 minute radiance and then win the game from that point. The road to Radiance can be terrible sometimes, but the harder it is to get it the more likely you are to need it to get back in the game. The DPS from it is insane and diffusal doesn't even compare. It disables blink initiators if you time your haunt right, but probably most important it lets your farm explode. Here's a game I played not too long ago http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/901859290 It's on a friends account, my actual mmr is around 4300-4600, and spec is probably my best carry. In that game I get destroyed early game, I think I get my radiance at about 26 minutes and have probably around 100 creeps? In the next 13 minutes, using radiance/manta farming and getting some good fights my networth goes up about 14k. Which is over 1k gold a minute for the last 13 minutes. Without the radiance that wasn't happening. Yes, it was a game that should of been an easy win because me and the centaur were smurfing. I was never really too worried at any point during that game, however the game itself is just meant to show how the effect the radiance had on my farming over the next 13 minutes after I got it. I could of just went for the diffusal and tried brawling more, but with a diffusal in that game instead of my radiance I guarantee you my item progression would probably be significantly slower.. | ||
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