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Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
January 03 2017 03:22 GMT
#24401
On January 03 2017 12:09 tehh4ck3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 11:56 Recoil wrote:
How do players bring up camp spawn boxes mid match without using wards? Is this something in the options/settings to modify this?


Settings > options > Interface section > enable "Holding ALT Shows Neutral Spawnboxes"


Thanks! Appreciate it. Man I feel dumb for not seeing that.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3272 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-03 09:28:03
January 03 2017 09:02 GMT
#24402
On January 03 2017 11:56 Recoil wrote:
How do players bring up camp spawn boxes mid match without using wards? Is this something in the options/settings to modify this?

Also on a separate note what are some tips for farming a contested lane safe lane (2 vs 2)? Is it worth the Carry pulling if the support wont or is the loss of XP not worth it?

Thanks!!

@2.: Depends a bit on how contested your lane actually is. Unless the lane is impossible, pulling the creepwave with creepaggro and getting extra regen is the way to get cs in these lanes.

If I pull the wave as carry I almost always farm the enemies' wave under my tower.
The reason is that for an aggro lane the risk/reward heavily leans to contesting a pull over trying to kill a carry farming under the tower.

XP wise an early wave (3 melees and a ranged creep) gives roughly the xp (215) of a hard camp (~213) and a little less than 2 small camps (~240). So if you pull and the enemy contest and drive you off, they get double the exp if they lasthits your wave. Changes if they share it with anyone (like your sup f.e.) or miss a bunch.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
January 03 2017 12:15 GMT
#24403
potm's lvl 25 talent can all 3 arrows hit the same target if casted right infront of them? or is the spread too big
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Jaeger
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1150 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-03 15:56:53
January 03 2017 15:55 GMT
#24404
On January 03 2017 21:15 Shock710 wrote:
potm's lvl 25 talent can all 3 arrows hit the same target if casted right infront of them? or is the spread too big


Although all three arrows overlap in front of Mirana, they cannot hit the same target.
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Mirana
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/8137911
Recoil
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States276 Posts
January 03 2017 19:00 GMT
#24405
On January 03 2017 18:02 Archeon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 11:56 Recoil wrote:
How do players bring up camp spawn boxes mid match without using wards? Is this something in the options/settings to modify this?

Also on a separate note what are some tips for farming a contested lane safe lane (2 vs 2)? Is it worth the Carry pulling if the support wont or is the loss of XP not worth it?

Thanks!!

@2.: Depends a bit on how contested your lane actually is. Unless the lane is impossible, pulling the creepwave with creepaggro and getting extra regen is the way to get cs in these lanes.

If I pull the wave as carry I almost always farm the enemies' wave under my tower.
The reason is that for an aggro lane the risk/reward heavily leans to contesting a pull over trying to kill a carry farming under the tower.

XP wise an early wave (3 melees and a ranged creep) gives roughly the xp (215) of a hard camp (~213) and a little less than 2 small camps (~240). So if you pull and the enemy contest and drive you off, they get double the exp if they lasthits your wave. Changes if they share it with anyone (like your sup f.e.) or miss a bunch.


Thanks!

I will keep working on pulling creep aggro and csing under tower.

I will have to be less greedy and grab some more regen when the occasion calls for it (courier usage always a blast in pubs!)
SKN1995
Profile Joined September 2016
Japan204 Posts
January 05 2017 11:10 GMT
#24406
What's a nice constructive way of saying hey stop being so childish and toxic - you're playing a teamgame if you're not putting what's best for the team ahead of anything else you're doing it wrong?

Usually I never say anything but I was wondering if you guys had some magic phase that will make toxic morons start behaving like decent human beings?
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 05 2017 11:24 GMT
#24407
On January 05 2017 20:10 SKN1995 wrote:
What's a nice constructive way of saying hey stop being so childish and toxic - you're playing a teamgame if you're not putting what's best for the team ahead of anything else you're doing it wrong?

Usually I never say anything but I was wondering if you guys had some magic phase that will make toxic morons start behaving like decent human beings?

Hey dude, pls stop being toxic we are all trying. Proceed to mute him for the next 5 mins and unmute him back. If it doesn't help, just play your best, if it's a 100% loss practice stuff like new ward spots, farm on the enemy jungle, watch map movement, think about what you could've done better. At least it'll not be a useless game
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3272 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-05 16:24:42
January 05 2017 11:53 GMT
#24408
On January 04 2017 04:00 Recoil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2017 18:02 Archeon wrote:
On January 03 2017 11:56 Recoil wrote:
How do players bring up camp spawn boxes mid match without using wards? Is this something in the options/settings to modify this?

Also on a separate note what are some tips for farming a contested lane safe lane (2 vs 2)? Is it worth the Carry pulling if the support wont or is the loss of XP not worth it?

Thanks!!

@2.: Depends a bit on how contested your lane actually is. Unless the lane is impossible, pulling the creepwave with creepaggro and getting extra regen is the way to get cs in these lanes.

If I pull the wave as carry I almost always farm the enemies' wave under my tower.
The reason is that for an aggro lane the risk/reward heavily leans to contesting a pull over trying to kill a carry farming under the tower.

XP wise an early wave (3 melees and a ranged creep) gives roughly the xp (215) of a hard camp (~213) and a little less than 2 small camps (~240). So if you pull and the enemy contest and drive you off, they get double the exp if they lasthits your wave. Changes if they share it with anyone (like your sup f.e.) or miss a bunch.


Thanks!

I will keep working on pulling creep aggro and csing under tower.

I will have to be less greedy and grab some more regen when the occasion calls for it (courier usage always a blast in pubs!)

You are welcome
Yeah shipping salves has saved so many midlanes and carry lanes for me.

On January 05 2017 20:10 SKN1995 wrote:
What's a nice constructive way of saying hey stop being so childish and toxic - you're playing a teamgame if you're not putting what's best for the team ahead of anything else you're doing it wrong?

Usually I never say anything but I was wondering if you guys had some magic phase that will make toxic morons start behaving like decent human beings?

"Can we pls chill a bit? Flamewars aren't helping" is what I usually write. Sometimes it helps (especially if it shuts down the reply from the guy who is getting criticised), sometimes it doesn't.

Also after 2 or 3 strikes I mute them and recommend others in my team to do so as well. It's better to play 4v5 and have some fun than to play 0v10 cause everyone is tilting like crazy because mister edge is bleeding so much.
low gravity, yes-yes!
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
January 05 2017 12:43 GMT
#24409
I usually just tell people to focus on the game and not argue because it won't help us win. Works about 3 out of 5 times I'd say.
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
January 05 2017 15:07 GMT
#24410
If you have a farming hard carry in the safelane, is it safer to take the enemy T1 early or leave it up. Some time ago (couple years) I learned that it's better to leave the enemy T1 up if you have the lane to yourself because it makes it safe to keep farming the lane as much as you want. Is this still the case?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 05 2017 15:19 GMT
#24411
Wait what? Leave the tower so it attacks your creeps and their creeps come back to a safe place faster? I don't think that's better, nor safer. But with shrines who cares if there's not a t1 in offlane to tp on. That's my opinion: take it, supports appreciate that very much, and you can always move the safelane carry to another lane/jungle for a bit and keep going back to the safelane to farm, whenever it's worth. Anyway, this patch makes so you need to fight more and earlier, so giving 200 gold aoe could help your supps get mana boots (or whatever) wich will allow you to win a fight.
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
January 05 2017 15:26 GMT
#24412
The issue being that taking the T1 puts the lane equilibrium somewhere under the enemy T2 tower where it's easier to get ganked
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 05 2017 15:41 GMT
#24413
On January 06 2017 00:26 solidbebe wrote:
The issue being that taking the T1 puts the lane equilibrium somewhere under the enemy T2 tower where it's easier to get ganked

Yes, but still you take that chance 100% if you're not commiting too much. Your carry can always farm jungle (not as efficient i agree). After 3 camps or 4 his lane should be closer to your t1 again, wich is safe enough. But in the end being carry this patch means boots->transitional item asap(10~12min) -> fight fight fight
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3272 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-05 17:04:45
January 05 2017 16:28 GMT
#24414
Is there any stable way of chainpulling on dire nowadays? I tried, but i could get like 2 creeps in 30% of the cases with 3 trees cut minimum. Which really isn't what I want as sup.

@solidbee:
Depends on the game, if their mid is missing/they got a lot of jump ready and you don't feel safe, keeping the equilibrium can be beneficial. Also pushing is generally not advised if the other side has someone absorbing the xp if you can't really push the tower yet. You don't want to give the offlaner free exp if your sup can't stackpull (uneven minute)/chainpull (dire).

If they don't have anyone in your lane though and you see most of them on the map, go for the tower. The bonus gold accelerates your team and you can just pull to drag the lane back to your tower after their tower is gone. You definitely don't want to farm next to their t2 unless you are intentionally splitpushing.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
January 08 2017 15:57 GMT
#24415
Can WD's Death Ward miss?
passive quaranstream fan
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 08 2017 16:42 GMT
#24416
On January 09 2017 00:57 Artisreal wrote:
Can WD's Death Ward miss?

nope
posting on liquid sites in current year
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
January 08 2017 21:02 GMT
#24417
On January 09 2017 01:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 00:57 Artisreal wrote:
Can WD's Death Ward miss?

nope

the initial attack can miss, bounces cant miss
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
January 08 2017 21:23 GMT
#24418
On January 09 2017 06:02 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2017 01:42 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On January 09 2017 00:57 Artisreal wrote:
Can WD's Death Ward miss?

nope

the initial attack can miss, bounces cant miss

my bad

in addition to this, missed attacks dont bounce, so if you have aghs, its best to target something that doesnt have evasion
posting on liquid sites in current year
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
January 09 2017 10:32 GMT
#24419
This may seem dumb, but can you re-direct WD ulti to someone you want? If so, how?
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
January 09 2017 11:14 GMT
#24420
You can click on it just like a TA trap
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
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