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Birdie
New Zealand4438 Posts
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On June 06 2016 17:49 ahswtini wrote: wats the generally correct way to march as tinker Orient march orthogonal to the creep / hero pathing, to maximize the flux | ||
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Exoteric
Australia2330 Posts
On June 07 2016 10:07 Birdie wrote: What's a good carry to do it with though? i used safelane slardar to finish the quest | ||
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Archeon
3261 Posts
On June 06 2016 17:49 ahswtini wrote: wats the generally correct way to march as tinker March also has more range in the direction that you click, so marching orthogonally to the creeps path also allows you to hit them from farther away. spamming in different directions at the same deals more spread damage. | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
On June 04 2016 11:25 Baggage wrote: I took a quick look at the replay. I don't think you could ever "win" the lane against necro bristle with a solo CM support, but there were a lot of things you could've done to even out the lane/get more out of it. Their laning setup was quite obvious. The qb was very greedy and you probably should've opted for double regen. Since you had really little regen you basically just sat back in lane watching him last hit. You could've done the creep-aggro and de-aggro trick to move the creep equilibrium more into your favour. Your second item should've been a magic stick. It would've been better to take a point of infernal blade at lvl 2 so you can counter harass. Naked midas rush is really bad in lanes where you're losing/being contested. You should've finished tranqs or bought at least brown boots first so you're hero is actually meaningful and can offer kill potential. In terms of the midgame and beyond, you really need to check enemy items a lot more. That spectre went naked radiance rush and was beyond useless. Yet when you went to contest her lane you were far too passive. In fights, if you can't remember to use it, keep Infernal Blade on autocast. I think BKB was a worthless first item, you're better off going for blink --> aghs against their lineup or shadowblade --> aghs and solo killing everything but the bristle. Lastly, think twice before TPing somewhere. There were times where you TP out to a lane already being farmed and then were unable to join some fights. Your hero can jungle perfectly fine and it's really stupid to TP out to a lane then fighting your team mate for creeps. thanks so much buddy. glad i caught your reply | ||
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Velzi
Finland659 Posts
But why we dont see Invokers pick Veil at all? Literally every spell invoker has deals magical damage, invokers armor is not that great, gets a lot out of stats and even the hp regen is nice plus? Is it the fact that Invoker usually goes midas and after that u dont want to build too many small items, rather ramp up quick to big items like aghs and octarine? We still see a lot of Drums on invoker tho, only real upside is the MS u get from Drums but Invoker usually builds Travels fairly quickly anyways so the MS isnt that mandatory imo. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Can't say I have a lot of experience myself with Invoker builds but it feels more natural for someone like Puck who wants to get in fights early and deal magic burst or DP who often wants to go in front and have some tankiness + extra magic damage. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
Veil also doesn't amplify sunstrike, forge spirits, or alacrity + auto attacks so again, while it certainly applies it just doesn't add as much as it does on other heroes. | ||
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neozxa
Indonesia545 Posts
Also blink and pushstick gives much more mobility and utility for him to set up his spells compared to veil, drums give more stats and mv speed, so they just overshadow veil most of the time. Can't say I have much experience with invoker though, but thats just my 2 cents on the subject. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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Jisira
470 Posts
On June 09 2016 01:12 Velzi wrote: So Veil seems to be Item of the Patch or something right now, most notably heroes like DP Puck QoP etc. tend to pick Veil over Drums or Euls or Atos etc. as a midgame item before going for Hex/Shiva/Refresher etc. But why we dont see Invokers pick Veil at all? Literally every spell invoker has deals magical damage, invokers armor is not that great, gets a lot out of stats and even the hp regen is nice plus? Is it the fact that Invoker usually goes midas and after that u dont want to build too many small items, rather ramp up quick to big items like aghs and octarine? We still see a lot of Drums on invoker tho, only real upside is the MS u get from Drums but Invoker usually builds Travels fairly quickly anyways so the MS isnt that mandatory imo. The great thing about Veil is that the build path now includes double Null Talis, which means that the stat gain from the build path is immense. Int heroes that struggle with either low armor or low health pool can easily make their laning situation advantageous based on the opposition based on the fact that the components are extremely well-rounded. Invoker wants to scale into the lategame fast, and therefore either opts for a single Null Talis to cut as many corners as possible, deferring other items to finish boots, Midas or a mobility item. Invoker is not known for his 15 minute peak prowess. He is instead famed for level 17+ plays and until then he lacks a lot of the spells you want to make Veil efficient. DP, Puck and many other damage/control heroes based on magic damage can spam spells, which makes it valueable. Invoker rarely spams any spell in the timing where picking up Veil is relevant and often only relies on a teamfight combo or the pickoffs. Q/W lacks spammability and nuke to make the Veil efficient. Q/E relies on AAs, summons and pure damage more. In any way, Veil imo doesn't fit Invoker. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
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DazzleEnthusiast
United States72 Posts
any hero i build lifesteal on i'm overhealing and it's not counting to the challenge wtf who do i play | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 11 2016 14:02 DazzleEnthusiast wrote: What hero am i supposed to use for that stupid lifesteal challenge any hero i build lifesteal on i'm overhealing and it's not counting to the challenge wtf who do i play Lifestealer with armlet so you're healing the self damage? Otherwise someone who gets Satanic so you can go for big heals later on. | ||
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Buckyman
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skimm
United States8 Posts
On June 09 2016 08:24 Logo wrote: Is there anything you can do without your team in lane vs a Tinker who maxes rocket & laser? In this case specifically Windranger. It seems like you can't do more than powershot and occasionally take a last hit because you have no way to contest laser. You're definitely right in mentioning a teammate helps a good bit here. Tinker is relatively easy to gank - ask them to grab a smoke and shut him down, but I would suggest a magic stick and raindrops if no one is going to come help the mid out. A Tinker will also likely have a high ground ward to keep laser and rocket as effective as possible, so requesting a sentry or dewarding yourself will pay off if you can pull the lane effectively and use high ground advantage. | ||
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Just_a_Moth
Canada1964 Posts
On June 11 2016 14:02 DazzleEnthusiast wrote: What hero am i supposed to use for that stupid lifesteal challenge any hero i build lifesteal on i'm overhealing and it's not counting to the challenge wtf who do i play Huskar. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
On June 13 2016 03:11 skimm wrote: You're definitely right in mentioning a teammate helps a good bit here. Tinker is relatively easy to gank - ask them to grab a smoke and shut him down, but I would suggest a magic stick and raindrops if no one is going to come help the mid out. A Tinker will also likely have a high ground ward to keep laser and rocket as effective as possible, so requesting a sentry or dewarding yourself will pay off if you can pull the lane effectively and use high ground advantage. Yeah I'll keep all that in mind thanks! In this case my support/cores were losing both sides lanes pretty hard which I don't really blame them for given the matchups (well ok I blame them for the terrible pick choices). So I didn't really feel like I could call in for a gank and we only had a Nyx for help anyways (he actually did come mid but completely screwed it up). I think I should have invested in the sentry myself, and I could have done ok in the lane possibly if I didn't try to contest the runes and just felt content with what scraps I could get. A problem with my play in general is when my team is losing the other lanes hard I tend to try and make riskier plays because I feel like I need to turn the game around when I'd probably just be better off biding my time and making plays in the mid game. | ||
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oooh jerax
Chile1 Post
On June 09 2016 01:12 Velzi wrote: So Veil seems to be Item of the Patch or something right now, most notably heroes like DP Puck QoP etc. tend to pick Veil over Drums or Euls or Atos etc. as a midgame item before going for Hex/Shiva/Refresher etc. But why we dont see Invokers pick Veil at all? Literally every spell invoker has deals magical damage, invokers armor is not that great, gets a lot out of stats and even the hp regen is nice plus? Is it the fact that Invoker usually goes midas and after that u dont want to build too many small items, rather ramp up quick to big items like aghs and octarine? We still see a lot of Drums on invoker tho, only real upside is the MS u get from Drums but Invoker usually builds Travels fairly quickly anyways so the MS isnt that mandatory imo. sounds good but if you want to pick up some item before midas i think atos its much more better. Fata aproved this. Atos provides much more hp and a great slow so u can easily survive a big team fight in the early game, i usually pick atos then force a team fight to secure a good timing on midas. also u can get a kill without used coldsnap, veil forces you to use spells to be effective, sometimes u want to save your invoke´s cd to escape. | ||
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Gotuso
Netherlands733 Posts
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