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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
August 29 2015 17:40 GMT
#22801
I guess if u play with ur friends who are quite new to the game and u like random medusa or something, things like this can happen.

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 29 2015 17:56 GMT
#22802
On August 30 2015 02:40 Velzi wrote:
I guess if u play with ur friends who are quite new to the game and u like random medusa or something, things like this can happen.

www.dotabuff.com

It's better for that on Gyro because Gyro rapier first is scarier than Dusa rapier first (Dusa rapier is only better past the point where 6 attacks isn't enough to make everyone die).
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
August 29 2015 18:22 GMT
#22803
On August 30 2015 02:56 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 02:40 Velzi wrote:
I guess if u play with ur friends who are quite new to the game and u like random medusa or something, things like this can happen.

www.dotabuff.com

It's better for that on Gyro because Gyro rapier first is scarier than Dusa rapier first (Dusa rapier is only better past the point where 6 attacks isn't enough to make everyone die).

Having first major item rapier as dusa is way less risky compared to gyro (if u can call rapier first less risky at all) but i got ur point about gyro rapier being scarier than dusa rapier.

Obviously i dont recommend going build like that in ranked or in a game with random teammates, u might get some feedback if u somehow lose those rapiers
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pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
August 29 2015 21:54 GMT
#22804
solar crest + duel how does it work
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
August 29 2015 22:01 GMT
#22805
Actually there's a really good timing where u have like bkb+hotd+rapier on gyro around 26-30min if you get stacked ancients and farm well, after that you just push for highground and murder everything. It's really scary and not sure how you even defend against it, wonder if pro teams gonna do that ever as it's really strong.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
August 29 2015 22:33 GMT
#22806
On August 30 2015 06:54 pedrlz wrote:
solar crest + duel how does it work

? uhh same as solar crest without duel
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
August 29 2015 23:12 GMT
#22807
duel doesn't remove debuff anymore? i'm not sure I think I remember reading something about it
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 29 2015 23:19 GMT
#22808
On August 30 2015 08:12 pedrlz wrote:
duel doesn't remove debuff anymore? i'm not sure I think I remember reading something about it

Duel never removed debuffs. It has a specific function of removing autoattack-disabling effects so that the target isn't locked out of attacking you, but Solar isn't an autoattack-disabling effect.
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Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
August 30 2015 16:33 GMT
#22809
Is SB's bash infamous only because of the true random distribution, or the bash it seems is strong in some way? 17% seems quite low to me.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
August 30 2015 16:48 GMT
#22810
yea the true random makes it rarely feel like actual 17% for some reason

or more like whenever 2+ bashes happen in a row it feels like bullshit
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2717 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-30 18:08:42
August 30 2015 18:04 GMT
#22811
It's also more pronounced than other bashes. It's pretty easy to not really notice if Slardar or AM bashes multiple times in a row, but Cow has the loud audio effect and knockback that make it really hard to not notice multiple bash procs. That, combined with no pseudo-random, and the fact that he starts at 17% (as compared to other bash heroes' 10%) makes him a famous bashlord early game.

Also if I understand correctly, the 0.5s knockback and the 1/1.2/1.4/1.6s stun do stack consecutively, making it a substantially longer bash than other bashes.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 30 2015 19:32 GMT
#22812
On August 31 2015 01:48 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
yea the true random makes it rarely feel like actual 17% for some reason

or more like whenever 2+ bashes happen in a row it feels like bullshit

This is mostly it. Lack of PRD + 2 auto-bash skills means you're more likely to get outlier cases where you get bashed to death, unlike other bashes.
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Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
August 30 2015 19:55 GMT
#22813
Is there any reason why greater bash isn't PRD? It was hard-coded in WC3, so it didn't use the engine's PRD calculations, but there's no reason why it can't be PRD in dota 2 right? Is it just to maintain parity?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
August 30 2015 22:07 GMT
#22814
On August 30 2015 08:19 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2015 08:12 pedrlz wrote:
duel doesn't remove debuff anymore? i'm not sure I think I remember reading something about it

Duel never removed debuffs. It has a specific function of removing autoattack-disabling effects so that the target isn't locked out of attacking you, but Solar isn't an autoattack-disabling effect.

to add onto this, if u ever have an eblade and theres a legion in the game, u shud always eblade the target u want to win the duel. the duel ignores disarm, so an ethereal target will still attack, but will not take attack dmg
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 03 2015 08:50 GMT
#22815
Whats the big 5.8GB update about? It's not in the "View News" page about it.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 03 2015 08:54 GMT
#22816
On September 03 2015 17:50 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Whats the big 5.8GB update about? It's not in the "View News" page about it.

do u have reborn installed?

http://blog.dota2.com/2015/09/coming-soon-the-reborn-update/
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
September 03 2015 09:00 GMT
#22817
On September 03 2015 17:54 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2015 17:50 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Whats the big 5.8GB update about? It's not in the "View News" page about it.

do u have reborn installed?

http://blog.dota2.com/2015/09/coming-soon-the-reborn-update/

Oh yeah I do.

So what's going to happen now? Valve focuses on Reborn and makes it the "default choice" when launching dota 2 and eventually discontinue the Source 1 Dota? I think it will be difficult for them to maintain 2 engines and implement the same patch versions over 2 different engines...
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
September 03 2015 09:03 GMT
#22818
yes most likely they will make reborn the default choice and archive source 1. maybe leave it as a legacy replay viewer
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
HUMMAN
Profile Joined July 2015
Turkey61 Posts
September 03 2015 16:28 GMT
#22819
Whats the difference in terms of playstlye between 4k and 5k?
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Velzi
Profile Joined June 2012
Finland659 Posts
September 03 2015 18:01 GMT
#22820
On September 04 2015 01:28 HUMMAN wrote:
Whats the difference in terms of playstlye between 4k and 5k?

4k tend to take unnecessary risks and fight when they are in disadvantage. Also going for objectives like towers and roshan are more likely to happen when u reach 5k

Overall better situation management and recognizing threats and how strong both teams are compared to each other.

I dont think there is huge difference in execution and farming efficiency, 4k know how to last hit and how use their skills (ofc there are small improvement here too but other things matter more imo)
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