I've definitely hated the couple of times I've gone against a decent Kunkka mid with DP. But I recently got owned by a Huskar, a hero I actually don't see that much of in my pubs at all but had never had to face mid as DP. I figured it was going to be hard but I wasn't prepared for how hard bottle-rush Huskar was going to be.

We ended up winning but I could use some tips. For example, the map collapsed kinda quickly so it was hard for me to farm my Euls but I thought when I got it I could Euls out of Life Break. The one time I had a chance to try this it didn't seem to work. I couldn't tell if it was an input error or if even Euls doesn't work. But that was well after game at mid, which was a primary reason the game was so hard. Past a point I just couldn't get near him.

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

January 02 2015 00:15 GMT

#242

DP shouldn't really have many problems with Huskar. In lane, you should crush him based on the enormous autoattack range advantage and AoE (Huskar's biggest issue in lane is going vs. longer range heroes that can harass him out of lane and lack of AoE to get creep advantage). Getting a good block is important to being able to leverage your range advantage. Against level 6+ kill attempts, Silence is crucial because the majority of Huskar's killing power comes off the high magic damage + tower diving ability of his orb, and Silencing him removes this option. Silencing him under tower after he's already Life Break-ed means he often has to either fight you with tower aggro or back off and take a ton of free damage on the way out.

Likewise, good Silence usage is key to handling him later on. He may get BKB for this, but by then you should have Eul's. Eul's-ing yourself to dodge Life Break depends on the situation. Remember that your ult is one of the best high-physical damage abilities for cleaning him up when he's low HP and his magic resist is high, so it may be better to Eul's yourself at that point rather than to just dodge Life Break.

Also remember that Life Break grants Magic Immunity while he's mid-jump, so don't silence him while he's in the middle of the animation.

FHDH

United States7023 Posts

January 02 2015 00:36 GMT

#243

Sounds good. I am pretty cookie-cutter with my skill-build on DP, same thing probably 90% of games (4-0-4 into ult) and it didn't occur to me to pick up an early level of silence vs. Huskar. So Euls does dodge it? I wonder how I missed that in the game. I was kinda counting on dodging it to kill him (or at least survive) and it went pretty badly.

Definitely once I stopped being food he had to be scared of my ult. Same with a game I went against him on PA; once I had BKB he was straight fucked, but he was a terror before that point.

FHDH

United States7023 Posts

January 02 2015 18:13 GMT

#244

I wish they would remove the Unit Target aspect of Crypt Swarm like they did for ES. Can't count the number of times that has screwed me up. There's just no need for it.

Names

Canada328 Posts

February 16 2015 14:44 GMT

#245

Thanks for this guide. I played a very farmed dp yesterday but it seems like i had the wrong itembuild. Would you consider a mjollnir as 6th slot with 2 raxes down on your side? Was it a bad call on my part at that point?

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

February 16 2015 14:46 GMT

#246

On February 16 2015 23:44 Names wrote:
Thanks for this guide. I played a very farmed dp yesterday but it seems like i had the wrong itembuild. Would you consider a mjollnir as 6th slot with 2 raxes down on your side? Was it a bad call on my part at that point?

need some more information like what other items you had, and team compositions

Names

Canada328 Posts

February 16 2015 14:54 GMT

#247

On February 16 2015 23:46 ahswtini wrote:

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need some more information like what other items you had, and team compositions

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1242607173

I had BoT, Shiva's, eul's, BKB, Bloodstone

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

February 16 2015 15:09 GMT

#248

Bloodstone is a waste of gold on DP.

Names

Canada328 Posts

February 16 2015 15:13 GMT

#249

On February 17 2015 00:09 DucK- wrote:

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Bloodstone is a waste of gold on DP.

Yes, I've read about it in the OP, which I hadn't read before that match because I never play DP, thanks for pointing it out.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

February 16 2015 15:55 GMT

#250

am I blind or do I not see a BKB on you in that dotabuff link? anyway, heart over bloodstone would have been nice. with two lanes down a mjollnir isnt' a bad choice. for a 7th item you can consider refresher too

Names

Canada328 Posts

February 16 2015 15:59 GMT

#251

You're not blind, i ended up selling euls and bkb for rapier and aegis, as you can see, it didn't work out very well

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

February 16 2015 16:26 GMT

#252

Anyway basically you can't go much wrong with Phase Bottle Stick Eul. You're fairly low on HP at that stage, so it's a good idea to bulk up a little next. BKB/Atos or casual Vitality is pretty good. Heart is best, but you generally won't get it since it's so expensive. After bulking up HP wise, you usually want Shivas for Armour. Then what you get after is really dependent on the game. You could go Skadi, Refresher, Hex, AC, Linkens, Ghost etc.

ahswtini

Northern Ireland22208 Posts

February 16 2015 16:29 GMT

#253

i think in that game you have enough control on your team (and lack of enemy heroes with evasion) that you don't need a hex

babysimba

10466 Posts

May 13 2015 16:39 GMT

#254

Ocarion core is insane for DP's exorcism. Considering 6.84 meta, this hero will definitely see more gameplay soon.

ELlminator1

Australia344 Posts

October 16 2015 08:09 GMT

#255

I've been trying out this hero recently since his exorcism got buffed early game. Ive had a fair bit of success pushing early and building a lead for my team.
My build is Bottle> brown boots > euls > OctoCore > boots of travel. I feel like it is a pretty greedy/risky build.
Anyone else having any luck with this hero? Are there any guides you would recommend.

Fwizzz

Philippines4420 Posts

October 16 2015 09:12 GMT

#256

Played two games against her. The ulti definitely hurts very much.

Laserist

Turkey4269 Posts

October 16 2015 11:39 GMT

#257

On October 16 2015 17:09 ELlminator1 wrote:
I've been trying out this hero recently since his exorcism got buffed early game. Ive had a fair bit of success pushing early and building a lead for my team.
My build is Bottle> brown boots > euls > OctoCore > boots of travel. I feel like it is a pretty greedy/risky build.
Anyone else having any luck with this hero? Are there any guides you would recommend.

It is easier to take T1 towers with some smart rotations even some kills if you manage to ulti from fog and with some disables. Easy creep clearing secure some item progression for sure in any case. boots-> euls is not greedy at all and seems like the best practice. With the boosters maybe a value armor item should be enough for early-mid game. I don't think it is particularly greedy or risk since the only other option I can think is drums which is inferior to euls for DP, imo.

What happened to me was, if you are against a good teamfight & physical dps, I find hard time to solo tank and either required some another frontline hero or a second survival item(bkb comes to mind for anti-control).

All in all, you need some massive farm to compete with non-slowed core heroes.

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

October 16 2015 12:54 GMT

#258

phase, wand, and drums are still nice to have on this hero if you need the mobility / laning power / survivability early on

Velr

Switzerland10697 Posts

October 16 2015 14:08 GMT

#259

You can also get Mek if there is no other Mekcarrier after Euls.

Armor (you want), kinda HP (you want) and it helps you siege/push (you want).

salad baker

2 Posts

October 16 2015 20:58 GMT

#260

Any opinions getting on rod of atos in stead of euls? It seemed kinda cool to me at first but euls can be really great when you have an octarine and you euls yourself when you have the ult up and losing a lot of hp. Nobody can touch you for like 3s and you keep lifestealing.