EPTFeel free to discuss PPD out-drafting the enemy team, Misery doing mediocre things, Zai dying, and CCnC tilting here!
Also, let's see that flair!
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Sassback
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Feel free to discuss PPD out-drafting the enemy team, Misery doing mediocre things, Zai dying, and CCnC tilting here! Also, let's see that flair! | ||
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the bear jew
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On September 23 2017 06:07 Sassback wrote: Team Dire is the second coming of the great PPD. Will he be able to take this rag-tag group of players to the pinnacles of Dota success? Not likely. But with them winning the invite to the Summit 8 they will probably be around for a little while. Feel free to discuss PPD out-drafting the enemy team, Misery doing mediocre things, Zai dying, and CCnC tilting here! Also, let's see that flair! Don't underestimate the salt lord, he will turn salt to gold. | ||
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GOHF
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On September 23 2017 06:07 Sassback wrote: Also, let's see that flair! Nope! | ||
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Sassback
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LemOn
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On September 27 2017 15:18 OmniEulogy wrote: renamed thread Can we get OG flair too please finally? GO OG! | ||
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Sassback
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JGwinworth
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My pont is that his style is so far from being relevant in the upcoming style of Dota2 p7.07 that Zai was definitely poached. Also, I'm kind of ok with it as long as ppd actually does his best to make this team work which means going out and upgrading your team when you have the oppurtunity to a.k.a. GO AFTER ABED PLEASE! | ||
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Sapaio
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Cant ppd go get Abed and drop CCnC or if he actually had iron balls then couldnt he just drop paijkat and maybe move Abed to the 1 or something? This team could be an actual contender if they ad Abed. And look I'm an EG fan before u bash me for being an Abed fan but lets think about this, he has the mmr and skills to back it up and before people say mmr means nothing i mean it, at the very least, tells you if a guy is 10kmmr then you just know that he has some of the highest understanding, or something in that realm like maybe skills instead i dont know but, in all of Dota2. I think he should do it if hes serious about this Optic Gaming thing b/c right now it just seems for fun but IU take it personally when you poach Zai away from EG bc I have no idea why people think Crit was better 4 than Zai but i cant get over the feeling that I'm all alone on this thinking that Zai is much better than Crit. Even Back when people use Crits OG tenure as his glory days well back then Zai was tearing it up too. And also Crits little post about he's special b/c he's a 4 that leans more towards a 5 whereas Zai and other 4's lean more towards a 3/offlaner. (you can read his comments on Dota 2 Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6y1ecw/cr1ts_thoughts_on_eg_captaining_and_zai/ ) My pont is that his style is so far from being relevant in the upcoming style of Dota2 p7.07 that Zai was definitely poached. Also, I'm kind of ok with it as long as ppd actually does his best to make this team work which means going out and upgrading your team when you have the oppurtunity to a.k.a. GO AFTER ABED PLEASE! Ok is this Optic or EG post? I saw some of Rog master qual, and Optic won. CCnC played better and the team as a whole looked better. CCnC is young and think he will improve with some Lan events and being around pro like PDD and Misery. Regarding if Cr1t or Zai is better as 4, i think Cr1t is, and he has been one of EG best. The funny thing is i think Universe has sucked at 3. And that is the position that Zai plays on Optic not 4 because Misery plays that. So maybe Universe should have been kicked not Zai. But if you listen to Cr1t's interview he also says that there where other problems with Zai that he would not go into. Also didn't say Zai played bad at 4 just that he and Zai didn't function optimal as support duo. | ||
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Sapaio
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Achaian
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hopefully optic's return from that slump of awfulness is not a glimmer of false hope | ||
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Sassback
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maze.
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The OpTic Dota 2 roster is thrilled to announce the addition of Martin “Saska” Sazdov as a full time stand in at the 4 position support role for the remainder of 2017. Rasmus “MISERY” Filipsen will no longer be rostered for OpTic Gaming’s Dota 2 division. Pajkatt + Misery isn't meant to be. | ||
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Jelissei
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Achaian
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On November 29 2017 20:30 Jelissei wrote: Anyone know what happened? The official announcement didn't really say anything. Not even a "Thank you" in his direction. PPD on misery leaving | ||
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Achaian
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Achaian
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it sucks for ccnc, but most of optic's successes have been despite him, not because of him. Unless he turns things around (and it has been that way for a long time), ccnc will be replaced. The question is "when will ppd feel comfortable replacing ccnc?" Majors are coming up fast. The sooner ccnc is replaced, the more time optic will have to train together. Yet it may already be late enough for optic that replacing your mid player is deemed an excessive risk. ccnc may live to see a major, but barring a miraculous improvement he is destined for the chopping block. | ||
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Sassback
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the bear jew
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On February 16 2018 05:44 Sassback wrote: Optic on a tear qualifying for DAC, The Bucharest Major, and ESL Katowice! I'm still a little skeptical how they are gonna stack up now that they are in. But let's see if the Bear Jew is right and the mighty PPD can turn salt into gold! Gotta start beating EG. Didn't catch the games, what's the problem? Players are skilled, is it teamwork, drafts, etc? | ||
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emperorchampion
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Racket
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On March 15 2018 23:55 emperorchampion wrote: Anyone know why 7Mad is standing in for Reso in the Mars TV qualis? Wrong thread? No clue | ||
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emperorchampion
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Whoops, my bad. | ||
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Sassback
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Build that Green Wall! Go Optic! | ||
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sCuMBaG
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ccnc still seems to have major anger issues. I was warming up to them, but then watched ccnc stream the other day and he was bitching hard and rage quitting the game and stream later on - not a big fan of that. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 03 2018 21:26 emperorchampion wrote: Solid games from Optic today. I feel confident that they can take down Mineski, haven't watched too many Mineski games but I think optic matches up pretty evenly in every lane. Hopefully Optic has a draft advantage, and can close out the series. Depends which Mineski shows up. They've been pretty bad until recently, then they just found some form. If good Mineski shows up, it's probably 50/50. If bad Mineski shows up, Optic could stomp them. Just don't give Iceiceice Pango. Optic does have a real path to the Top 3, which should be fun. ppd is more limited with this Optic lineup than in past EG lineups, but he's found a lot of ways to make things work. Main thing going forward is they are away from the Western captains. The Late Game Vision Meta between ppd & puppey is something else, but you see it also with Kuroky & Fly. Those 4 can turn games in the late game by extremely potent warding, which they work really hard to do. | ||
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emperorchampion
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Taf the Ghost
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Game 1 was "okay, that works really well", but they need to adjust better. And opening Sand King against the top-tier teams isn't going to work as well. | ||
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korendir
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On April 04 2018 17:54 Taf the Ghost wrote: Does Optic have a coach right now? As NP made that entire game 1 work, and ppd let it through again. Jabz is key to making the rotation speed work, and Optic couldn't do anything about it. It was just a bad draft strategy for game 2 that cost them. Game 1 was "okay, that works really well", but they need to adjust better. And opening Sand King against the top-tier teams isn't going to work as well. to be fair i think both optic and mineski are on the same tier currently. sometimes they play amazing and sometimes they get dumpstered. it's what separating them from the real top tiers - consistency | ||
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Sassback
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Taf the Ghost
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Nopeudon
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goody153
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On April 16 2018 05:17 Sassback wrote: The Optic boys bring home a win in Starladder! Even though they weren't against the best of the best, they outplayed the opposition. I think a win here helps to establish themselves as a solid contender as a team that's so close to breaking into the upper echelons of Dota teams out there. And they got to strike back against SEA Dota as they beat Fnatic in the semifinals. Pretty Solid play throughout the tournament and with good drafting from PPD, I think the future is looking bright for the #Green Wall! Tbh they were expected to win. The only two threats from that tournament was VG.J on a slump since a few tournaments then we have fnatic who had Adam as 4 instead of DJ . And adam is actually pretty bad at playing (going into lina solo under the tower as naga ROFL) | ||
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DavoS
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emperorchampion
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On April 16 2018 13:20 DavoS wrote: How long ago did 33 and zai swap roles? Definitely in DAC, can't remember if in Bucharest too, but I don't think so. Haven't really been paying much attention to the qualifiers. | ||
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emperorchampion
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NInoff
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Congrats to Optic, but the story of the tournament is called 33. Im a fan already.Same goes for Zayatc from Vega, they got top 4, but that guy has s big future. Can't wait to see how things playout. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 16 2018 13:20 DavoS wrote: How long ago did 33 and zai swap roles? Between Katowice & Bucharest. 33 looked lost half the time at Katowice as a pos 4 in the games when he didn't get much farm. https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3745831943 Last game at Katowice, while they didn't win with the Brood, it was 33 playing core and Zai playing pos 4. They did try to pick Brood into Miracle's TB & Gh's Kotl, which ppd hasn't attempted to do since. 33 just really isn't a pos 4 in skill set, at least at this stage in his career, while Zai is a Tier 1 player there. The hero pools also work out better as well. CCnC played well this tournament, and ppd has been working out how to draft with this team. He's got Pajkatt figured out, he's expanded his own hero pool, but working out the layering of 33, Zai & CCnC has taken some time. It helps that CCnC is getting better on frontline heroes, where his main skills are on Ranged Cores. Optic lost 3 matches at Starladder, 2 against first phase TB and one to a Bane they could never get the jump on in 4 successive team fights. TB also went 8-3 on the LAN, and somehow TB seems more overpowered when you're able to defend highground so well. Thus, if you aren't taking TB, ban it. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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With first pick, if Optic drafted TB 1st and Broodmother 2nd in the first phase, that would leave 3 bans & 3 picks to exploits whatever the other team is going to do in response. TB generally is dealt with differently than Brood for counters, so you can force the other team into a very big "pick your poison" response. Obviously works best against 1-2 cores picked that are weak against Brood by the team in the first phase. I don't think it'd work on LAN, but I'd still be hilarious to see. | ||
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GOHF
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Taf the Ghost
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Super Major group stage starts tomorrow, so let's hope Optic doesn't lose to any low-tier competition with some wonky drafts. Optic vs VGJ.S is in 2 days and will likely decide the group. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Moo appears to be drafting and came in with a really good approach to these games. Game 1 was their TB counter, which NP + NS really worked well. Pango is too weak against that much gank potential early and didn't offer enough. Game 2 is a little different, as I think it was an anti-Optic special. As we saw in Game 2 against Immortals, Complexity actually doesn't play around the Visage very well, but Optic was expecting the type of pressure they do. I also think the Bristle just wasn't the pick, especially since they didn't ban Moo's Timbersaw, who counters two cores, and he's probably the best player in the world on the hero. This group is, however, far from over. VGJ.S normally beats Complexity, so every match counts from here out. Immortals still has a chance to win as well. Then there is still a chance for a 3-way tie-breaker. | ||
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arghyad1
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On May 24 2018 07:12 Sassback wrote: Oh Baby! Optic come out of the group stage in first. All they need to do tomorrow is beat OG in a BO1 and it's straight to the semis and some sweet, sweet DPC points! Let's go boys! Their DPC points don't matter unless they end up winning the major. But they played really well though. That QOP in game 3 vs Mineski was too good. I am really hoping for 2 of Optic, Mineski and Fnatic to play the grand finals; looking at DPC standings, best if Optic & Fnatic play the BO5 finals. | ||
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emperorchampion
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sCuMBaG
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At least they'll have a chance of making the finals I guess. | ||
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emperorchampion
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On May 26 2018 00:45 Sassback wrote: Maybe Pain Gaming will take out VP and it can be an all Americas affair. That would be pretty awesome. If Pain _do_ take down VP that would be quite the run: recent TI champ, major champ, 3x major champ. Looking forward to the Fnatic v Optic matches! | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 26 2018 00:45 Sassback wrote: Maybe Pain Gaming will take out VP and it can be an all Americas affair. Pain actually has modeled themselves off VP quite a lot, in early game & laning strategy. They're a "Discount VP", but we've seen teams have a great run before. And you only need to win 2 matches. For Pain, beating VP is also 40k in each of their pockets. For a SA team that doesn't get a chance at the big prize pools much, that's a lot of money for those guys. Main thing is Optic's normal play style is pretty hard countered by VP's. The VP vs Optic match, while a pretty heavy beatdown, also showed a fairly different look from Optic, and a way they will probably try to adapt against VP. (Plus, they'll more harshly target Rodjer in bans, I think.) It's important for Optic, as VGJ.Storm & Complexity beat them in the Super Major qualifiers with "discount VP" approach to laning. (Basically, Nightstalker & NP mess up Optic pretty good because of the timings they favor.) As for today's match, it's slightly Optic favored. (Literally. 1.71 vs 2.10 betting line at the moment.) We'll see which teams show up to play today. Optic has been pretty consistent since they switched 33 & Zai for positions, but you never know which Fnatic is going to show up. | ||
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the bear jew
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 28 2018 05:27 Racket wrote: Imagine what this team could do if they had a capable carry... Pajkatt's never been their issue. VP just 10-0'd a Major for a reason. Optic's main issues are they don't rotate that much in the early game, CCnC's hero pool (or his not-quite Tier 1 positioning on fragile heroes), and some weird farming inefficiency in the late laning/early mid-game time period. (Still not sure what it is, but if they have a good laning stage lead, they rarely are able to extend it from 5k to 15k by 20 minutes. Unless it's a hard snowball.) Optic just took 2nd at a major, only losing to VP. It was a very good tournament for them, and I hope they are able to qualify for TI8. They have a chance to do really well there, especially if they can keep improving their form. | ||
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arghyad1
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I think Optic supporters can still keep their fingers crossed. | ||
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NInoff
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On May 28 2018 05:27 Racket wrote: Imagine what this team could do if they had a capable carry... This just shows how important are the positions 3,4,5. With good draft and decent positioning you win even if your Midlaner is questionable. Lets hope that Peter wont rejoin EG. After the events of last night. | ||
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Racket
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On May 28 2018 15:54 NInoff wrote: This just shows how important are the positions 3,4,5. With good draft and decent positioning you win even if your Midlaner is questionable. Lets hope that Peter wont rejoin EG. After the events of last night. I hope so too, people has to learn the hard way and getting ppd would be the easy way out for EG. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 28 2018 20:27 emperorchampion wrote: I don’t think anyone on a sponsored team will leave to go to EG Me either, but, well, it happened. The interesting question is if OG is officially out of the Super Major. It appears there'll be a slot, but I imagine there's currently a massive war between Optic & Fnatic staff for that slot. | ||
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arghyad1
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EU qual should be much easier than the NA 1. Edit : Never mind. I guess most of their players still play in the NA server, so not an option. Someone cleared my doubt in EG discussion thread. | ||
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emperorchampion
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On May 29 2018 04:03 Taf the Ghost wrote: Me either, but, well, it happened. The interesting question is if OG is officially out of the Super Major. It appears there'll be a slot, but I imagine there's currently a massive war between Optic & Fnatic staff for that slot. I don't doubt it, what a shit show | ||
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arghyad1
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Supermajor invites were given to the top 10 DPC teams at the time when it was announced. Judging by that Optic followed by Fnatic are the next replacements for OG. I am hoping either Na'vi or some top team like LGD, Liquid or VP also pull out to take rest & both Fnatic and Optic play at the Supermajor. That will surely spice up the tournament. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Appears Optic is on their way to the Super Major. Optic needs get out of their group, then 2 upper-bracket wins to lock in a trip to TI8. | ||
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If you dont do well here its because you lack the skill to do so. | ||
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plasmidghost
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On May 30 2018 03:25 267 wrote: Looking at the tournament layout, I would say this is one of the least luck based tournaments I have ever seen in dota. 4 groups with gsl format into a double elimination bracket. If you dont do well here its because you lack the skill to do so. Yeah it is, plus it's even better than TI since every series is a Bo3 | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On May 30 2018 03:25 267 wrote: Looking at the tournament layout, I would say this is one of the least luck based tournaments I have ever seen in dota. 4 groups with gsl format into a double elimination bracket. If you dont do well here its because you lack the skill to do so. There's a very notable Match-Up issue within Dota. Some times just fail against other ones for reasons not of some measure of total skill. (It's part of why Bo1s aren't a great idea in Dota.) Thus, what I mean is: Assume Optic makes it top 2 in their group. If they draw against VP in the first round of the Upper bracket, then lose, they have to win 3 Bo3 to make Top 4. If they avoid VP and beat whoever they face, they only need to win 1 more Bo3 to make Top 4. Staying in the Upper Bracket is extremely important in this type of event, and, if VP just has Optic's number, avoiding them makes all of the difference. So much of this season really comes down to the bracket draw at Bucharest:  PGL/Bucharest Major/2018The entire DPC season looks different if Slacks didn't draw what looked like teams #1, 2, 3 & 5 into the same side of the bracket. Newbee upsetting Secret also produced a path to the finals for VGJ.T. | ||
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DucK-
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PPD though is doing a great job with this lineup. It's definitely not capable of winning tournaments, but at least they don't look like a joke. | ||
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On June 04 2018 12:05 Sapaio wrote: I disagree feel CCNC has improved a lot and now can hold his own and win lanes against some good players, would be petty to see them waste all the time build and improving him. He is like khezzu. Generally good player just not someone you rely to win tournaments with. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
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On June 07 2018 19:43 the bear jew wrote: Just one more series win and they go to TI, just need to beat VP. "just beat VP". Optic are for sure a Top8 team right now, so I hope they will, but unless the stars allign, I don't see that happening. VP, LGD and Liquid are a tier above everyone else at the moment. | ||
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sCuMBaG
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On June 08 2018 02:13 Sassback wrote: Once again, VP are the gatekeepers Optic have to get through to make it to TI. I really wish it was any other team. I was rooting for VP to beat LGD. But maybe they learned something in that embarrassing Finals last week, and PPD has a new plan of attack to be giant slayers this time. Let's hope he has another huskaresque start lined up | ||
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NInoff
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On June 09 2018 17:15 Taf the Ghost wrote: Played better against VP today, but still 0-2. VP still the gatekeeper for Optic, so hopefully TI8 qualifiers go well. Should see Optic back in action around June 18th. Hopefully there is at least 2 NA qualifier spots. My guess will be that all the region winners go through, while runners up play at the start of TI for the last two slots. | ||
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What I found pretty funny was game 2 against Immortals. Clearly, after Saturday's disastrous series, ppd took a slightly different approach against the team. Tide + Enigma was funny way to deal with Void, because they built 4 Aeon Disks. That ended up being a lot of dead gold as the game went on. Sunday? They built 4 blinks + glimmer. Far more effective, it seems. Other funny detail from that game 2 against Immortals was that ppd finally worked around some of the late-game damage problems his drafts can get into. (ppd's one sort of regular drafting issue is running out of damage if a game drags late.) Mirana + Drow + Enigma is a stupid amount of damage in the late game, along with amazing high-ground defense. ppd drafted in such a way that Immortals could never break high ground without at least 3 dead without buyback. | ||
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GOHF
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On June 27 2018 02:54 Sassback wrote:Where is that flair?! On that note, whoever is in charge of creating that stuff here hasn’t made a Pangolier or Dark Willow avatar option either. No pressure or anything, but it is rather curious. | ||
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On August 14 2018 02:19 Sassback wrote: Welp boys, the nightmare has become a reality. Both VGJ.Storm and Virtus Pro in the same group as Optic. Guess you don't need to get moving on that flair after all. I Don't really see problem with Storm more Secret. Then TNC that is up and down and two Chinese teams that i think will be in good form. Of cause Storm can course problems but if they have high hopes more other teams is problem. VP is in different class so would be surprised if they don't win Group and feel Secret has most potential to do so, then Newbee, TNC and Optic. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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https://www.dotabuff.com/esports/events/262-ti8-group-stage/matches?date=all&hero=dark-willow&original_slug=262-ti8-group-stage&team_id=5026801 Optic never drafted Willow in the groups, and they went 2-5 in matches that Willow was on the other team. Willow was banned in all 5 matches they played on Day 4, and they went 5-0. While not wholly determinant, those aspects are definitely related. Also, great job by ppd to hold the Broodmother until the tie-breaker match. (Odds are they would have tried to set it up in the Bo1 if they ended up there, so they pulled out that strat for the tie-breaker because it's so important.) | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On August 22 2018 12:52 Sassback wrote: God, why does it have to be VP! They have lost the last 9 in a row against them. I think this is the end. Having flashbacks from the Supermajor. Well, I see two ways to look at it. Firstly, if they lose, they go out 7/8th at TI, which is a good showing, sign of a great year and, barring bracket issues, about where they were expected coming in. They've been in that 5-8 range since they switched Zai & 33, and have generally gotten screwed by brackets for most of the year. The time they didn't, they finished 2nd at a Major. Secondly, if they do get the upset ( though not an insane one), Optic would finally break through the VP Wall, as VP is 12-1 on the season against Optic while securing top 6 with a very real shot at top 3. Whether they won any more after that, that'd still be a massive victory for Optic and a big upset for VP. Regardless, I least hope we get 3 games. Maybe VP will decide Kunnka is a good pick again. | ||
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LemOn
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TOP8 is a really great result But vs VP they just couldn't handle the tempo and started making mistakes under pressure ggwp | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On August 24 2018 05:29 LemOn wrote: They reached their Peak TOP8 is a really great result But vs VP they just couldn't handle the tempo and started making mistakes under pressure ggwp 2-1 against VP is nothing to be down cast about. Without them really keying into the meta, top 4 was their upper limit. They just never quite got to the same speed that the top-level teams got to. And by top, I mean VP, TL and LGD. And, in the "well, that's about expected", they lost to TL and VP again. TL knocked them out of 1 major and VP knocked them out of 3. VP also dropped the Willow + WK combo that Optic could never solve this tournament. Still, a great year and it was fun to watch. Making 1.2 million on the year ain't a bad year, and we'll see what team ppd goes with for next year. I imagine 33 is going to be a hot commodity. | ||
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Achaian
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top 8 is good for a team that more or less started as a distant t2, despite how much I would have liked for them to take out a big name. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On August 24 2018 07:25 Achaian wrote: it was always VP top 8 is good for a team that more or less started as a distant t2, despite how much I would have liked for them to take out a big name. Yup. And Willow at TI. Still, 7/8th at TI is an amazing year, especially after some of the rough patches. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 24 2018 09:48 DucK- wrote: I feel a better mid would have played that lina better. Maybe it was lack of experience, but he kept getting picked off by noone. Noone has had Optic's number all year. Final tally was 2-14 on the season. Optic could never quite get to the same speed as the very top teams. ppd's interview after the match. Beyond the professionalism aspect, you can also tell he knew they ran into the buzzsaw that wanted to avoid and was pleased enough with the results. You hate to lose, but when you know you're against a better team, you can accept the results of something like that a lot easier. It's a lot easier on the emotions to be the underdog than the overdog. Other thing is that this was ppd's year back, and he ran a team to TI with Pajkatt, who had a brilliant year, plus CCnC & 33 both in their first full year of LAN-quality Dota. | ||
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Sapaio
Denmark2037 Posts
On August 24 2018 10:03 Taf the Ghost wrote: Noone has had Optic's number all year. Final tally was 2-14 on the season. Optic could never quite get to the same speed as the very top teams. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAgIkAXd04Q&feature=youtu.be ppd's interview after the match. Beyond the professionalism aspect, you can also tell he knew they ran into the buzzsaw that wanted to avoid and was pleased enough with the results. You hate to lose, but when you know you're against a better team, you can accept the results of something like that a lot easier. It's a lot easier on the emotions to be the underdog than the overdog. Other thing is that this was ppd's year back, and he ran a team to TI with Pajkatt, who had a brilliant year, plus CCnC & 33 both in their first full year of LAN-quality Dota. Think 33 was at TI last year, and joined at half season after Misery left. Felt he gave much to this team and made them much better. Was nice seeing CCnC improve into a starting caliber mid after an awful start to the year, properly most improved player of the year, and nice to see Optic sticking with and improving a young player. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 24 2018 21:25 Sapaio wrote: Think 33 was at TI last year, and joined at half season after Misery left. Felt he gave much to this team and made them much better. Was nice seeing CCnC improve into a starting caliber mid after an awful start to the year, properly most improved player of the year, and nice to see Optic sticking with and improving a young player. 33 was at TI last year, but Hellraisers wasn't a LAN-type team. There's a huge difference from Online vs Offline play, and the teams Optic had trouble with, all year, were stuffed with 4+ year Vets. VP have all been playing LANs for at least 3 years and just happened to win 4 Majors this year. Still, this was Optic's downfall at TI. Optic went 12-12 at the LAN, and 2-8 against Dark Willow without ever drafting the hero. They were thus 10-4 against every other draft. I think it's because Willow screwed up the way they liked to team fight, but I'm really not quite sure. Still, as I said, it was a great year, in the end. | ||
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