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Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-22 21:08:10
September 22 2017 21:07 GMT
#1
Team Dire is the second coming of the great PPD. Will he be able to take this rag-tag group of players to the pinnacles of Dota success? Not likely. But with them winning the invite to the Summit 8 they will probably be around for a little while.

Feel free to discuss PPD out-drafting the enemy team, Misery doing mediocre things, Zai dying, and CCnC tilting here!

Also, let's see that flair!

Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
September 22 2017 21:12 GMT
#2
On September 23 2017 06:07 Sassback wrote:
Team Dire is the second coming of the great PPD. Will he be able to take this rag-tag group of players to the pinnacles of Dota success? Not likely. But with them winning the invite to the Summit 8 they will probably be around for a little while.

Feel free to discuss PPD out-drafting the enemy team, Misery doing mediocre things, Zai dying, and CCnC tilting here!

Also, let's see that flair!



Don't underestimate the salt lord, he will turn salt to gold.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
September 26 2017 22:09 GMT
#3
On September 23 2017 06:07 Sassback wrote:

Also, let's see that flair!


Nope!

NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
wims80
Profile Joined February 2014
1892 Posts
September 26 2017 22:21 GMT
#4
This is a very interesting team IMO, I can't wait to see how they perfom against top tier opponents once they have gotten settled a little bit
Why are my allies so weak and pathetic?
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
September 27 2017 04:02 GMT
#5
Can we have a mod change the name of the thread please!
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
September 27 2017 04:03 GMT
#6
Anyone know why the forfeited today against VGJ. Storm?
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
OmniEulogy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada6600 Posts
September 27 2017 06:18 GMT
#7
renamed thread
LiquidDota Staff
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
September 27 2017 08:21 GMT
#8
On September 27 2017 15:18 OmniEulogy wrote:
renamed thread

Can we get OG flair too please finally? GO OG!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
October 01 2017 06:17 GMT
#9
Another heartbreaking loss to Immortals. Can anyone tell me when South Korea became part of North America!
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JGwinworth
Profile Joined April 2017
45 Posts
November 07 2017 04:53 GMT
#10
Cant ppd go get Abed and drop CCnC or if he actually had iron balls then couldnt he just drop paijkat and maybe move Abed to the 1 or something? This team could be an actual contender if they ad Abed. And look I'm an EG fan before u bash me for being an Abed fan but lets think about this, he has the mmr and skills to back it up and before people say mmr means nothing i mean it, at the very least, tells you if a guy is 10kmmr then you just know that he has some of the highest understanding, or something in that realm like maybe skills instead i dont know but, in all of Dota2. I think he should do it if hes serious about this Optic Gaming thing b/c right now it just seems for fun but IU take it personally when you poach Zai away from EG bc I have no idea why people think Crit was better 4 than Zai but i cant get over the feeling that I'm all alone on this thinking that Zai is much better than Crit. Even Back when people use Crits OG tenure as his glory days well back then Zai was tearing it up too. And also Crits little post about he's special b/c he's a 4 that leans more towards a 5 whereas Zai and other 4's lean more towards a 3/offlaner. (you can read his comments on Dota 2 Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6y1ecw/cr1ts_thoughts_on_eg_captaining_and_zai/ )

My pont is that his style is so far from being relevant in the upcoming style of Dota2 p7.07 that Zai was definitely poached. Also, I'm kind of ok with it as long as ppd actually does his best to make this team work which means going out and upgrading your team when you have the oppurtunity to a.k.a. GO AFTER ABED PLEASE!
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
November 07 2017 07:11 GMT
#11
Cant ppd go get Abed and drop CCnC or if he actually had iron balls then couldnt he just drop paijkat and maybe move Abed to the 1 or something? This team could be an actual contender if they ad Abed. And look I'm an EG fan before u bash me for being an Abed fan but lets think about this, he has the mmr and skills to back it up and before people say mmr means nothing i mean it, at the very least, tells you if a guy is 10kmmr then you just know that he has some of the highest understanding, or something in that realm like maybe skills instead i dont know but, in all of Dota2. I think he should do it if hes serious about this Optic Gaming thing b/c right now it just seems for fun but IU take it personally when you poach Zai away from EG bc I have no idea why people think Crit was better 4 than Zai but i cant get over the feeling that I'm all alone on this thinking that Zai is much better than Crit. Even Back when people use Crits OG tenure as his glory days well back then Zai was tearing it up too. And also Crits little post about he's special b/c he's a 4 that leans more towards a 5 whereas Zai and other 4's lean more towards a 3/offlaner. (you can read his comments on Dota 2 Reddit here: https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6y1ecw/cr1ts_thoughts_on_eg_captaining_and_zai/ )

My pont is that his style is so far from being relevant in the upcoming style of Dota2 p7.07 that Zai was definitely poached. Also, I'm kind of ok with it as long as ppd actually does his best to make this team work which means going out and upgrading your team when you have the oppurtunity to a.k.a. GO AFTER ABED PLEASE!


Ok is this Optic or EG post?
I saw some of Rog master qual, and Optic won.

CCnC played better and the team as a whole looked better. CCnC is young and think he will improve with some Lan events and being around pro like PDD and Misery.

Regarding if Cr1t or Zai is better as 4, i think Cr1t is, and he has been one of EG best. The funny thing is i think Universe has sucked at 3. And that is the position that Zai plays on Optic not 4 because Misery plays that. So maybe Universe should have been kicked not Zai. But if you listen to Cr1t's interview he also says that there where other problems with Zai that he would not go into.
Also didn't say Zai played bad at 4 just that he and Zai didn't function optimal as support duo.

GO OG
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
November 12 2017 17:41 GMT
#12
Saw Optic matches from Starladder, most say i find it shocking to see how they played. I though CCNC would have improved was just as bad as last time i saw Optic. But Zai was so bad and passive without any real impact at all. I am wondering if anything has happend to the team. Just felt very off.
GO OG
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
November 19 2017 23:00 GMT
#13
optic are back from the grave, going 4-1 against EG and immortals today in midas mode without (arguably) their best player, misery

hopefully optic's return from that slump of awfulness is not a glimmer of false hope
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
November 28 2017 08:55 GMT
#14
Midas Mode Champions! Now if the boys can just get some wins in a normal tournament. Hope this gives them some confidence moving on into the Summit.
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
maze.
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1392 Posts
November 28 2017 18:43 GMT
#15
optic.tv

The OpTic Dota 2 roster is thrilled to announce the addition of Martin “Saska” Sazdov as a full time stand in at the 4 position support role for the remainder of 2017. Rasmus “MISERY” Filipsen will no longer be rostered for OpTic Gaming’s Dota 2 division.


Pajkatt + Misery isn't meant to be.
Misery on Secret: I managed to get kicked twice from the same team before I got my share of the money. 4Head
Jelissei
Profile Joined June 2012
193 Posts
November 29 2017 11:30 GMT
#16
Anyone know what happened? The official announcement didn't really say anything. Not even a "Thank you" in his direction.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
November 29 2017 23:09 GMT
#17
On November 29 2017 20:30 Jelissei wrote:
Anyone know what happened? The official announcement didn't really say anything. Not even a "Thank you" in his direction.


PPD on misery leaving
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
November 30 2017 00:05 GMT
#18
optic defeat coL 2-0, qualifying for Galaxy Battles major in the Philippines and breaking a long series of losses against coL.
Achaian
Profile Joined April 2015
United States3369 Posts
February 15 2018 00:17 GMT
#19
optic has recently qualified for several majors, yet consistently struggle against not-EG NA teams. Over the past five months, ccnc has been a consistent underperformer. Has ppd just not replaced ccnc because of the trouble of finding a 4 position player that will actually stay with the team? ppd has had a rough time with it, having to learn to play with misery, kitrak, saksa, and now finally 33. He may not have been comfortable making more roster changes without knowing whether he'd be able to develop a successful framework for team communication.

it sucks for ccnc, but most of optic's successes have been despite him, not because of him. Unless he turns things around (and it has been that way for a long time), ccnc will be replaced. The question is "when will ppd feel comfortable replacing ccnc?"

Majors are coming up fast. The sooner ccnc is replaced, the more time optic will have to train together. Yet it may already be late enough for optic that replacing your mid player is deemed an excessive risk. ccnc may live to see a major, but barring a miraculous improvement he is destined for the chopping block.
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
February 15 2018 20:44 GMT
#20
Optic on a tear qualifying for DAC, The Bucharest Major, and ESL Katowice! I'm still a little skeptical how they are gonna stack up now that they are in. But let's see if the Bear Jew is right and the mighty PPD can turn salt into gold!
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
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