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Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 27 2018 21:18 GMT
#61
Pajkatt was never an exceptional carry. A good one when the patch is in his favor yes, but never exceptional. I don't think he would be able to actually carry his team if they really depended on him.
arghyad1
Profile Joined April 2018
India243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-28 06:51:20
May 28 2018 06:48 GMT
#62
EG changed roster today. Now if they pull out of Supermajor their slot shoud go to Optic (being from same region) as VGJ.Storm has already qualified.

I think Optic supporters can still keep their fingers crossed.
The more you hurt me, The Stronger I become....
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
May 28 2018 06:54 GMT
#63
On May 28 2018 05:27 Racket wrote:
Imagine what this team could do if they had a capable carry...

This just shows how important are the positions 3,4,5.
With good draft and decent positioning you win even if your Midlaner is questionable.

Lets hope that Peter wont rejoin EG. After the events of last night.
Racket
Profile Joined July 2013
3023 Posts
May 28 2018 10:16 GMT
#64
On May 28 2018 15:54 NInoff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 05:27 Racket wrote:
Imagine what this team could do if they had a capable carry...

This just shows how important are the positions 3,4,5.
With good draft and decent positioning you win even if your Midlaner is questionable.

Lets hope that Peter wont rejoin EG. After the events of last night.

I hope so too, people has to learn the hard way and getting ppd would be the easy way out for EG.
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 28 2018 11:27 GMT
#65
I don’t think anyone on a sponsored team will leave to go to EG
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 28 2018 19:03 GMT
#66
On May 28 2018 20:27 emperorchampion wrote:
I don’t think anyone on a sponsored team will leave to go to EG


Me either, but, well, it happened.

The interesting question is if OG is officially out of the Super Major. It appears there'll be a slot, but I imagine there's currently a massive war between Optic & Fnatic staff for that slot.
arghyad1
Profile Joined April 2018
India243 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-28 19:47:18
May 28 2018 19:41 GMT
#67
Can Optic play in the EU qualifiers for TI? They got 2 players from NA, 2 from EU & 1 from Israel. Shouldn't they be a EU team in that case?

EU qual should be much easier than the NA 1.

Edit : Never mind. I guess most of their players still play in the NA server, so not an option. Someone cleared my doubt in EG discussion thread.
The more you hurt me, The Stronger I become....
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
May 28 2018 19:46 GMT
#68
On May 29 2018 04:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 28 2018 20:27 emperorchampion wrote:
I don’t think anyone on a sponsored team will leave to go to EG


Me either, but, well, it happened.

The interesting question is if OG is officially out of the Super Major. It appears there'll be a slot, but I imagine there's currently a massive war between Optic & Fnatic staff for that slot.


I don't doubt it, what a shit show
TRUEESPORTS || your days as a respected member of team liquid are over
arghyad1
Profile Joined April 2018
India243 Posts
May 28 2018 19:52 GMT
#69
On May 29 2018 04:46 emperorchampion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2018 04:03 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On May 28 2018 20:27 emperorchampion wrote:
I don’t think anyone on a sponsored team will leave to go to EG


Me either, but, well, it happened.

The interesting question is if OG is officially out of the Super Major. It appears there'll be a slot, but I imagine there's currently a massive war between Optic & Fnatic staff for that slot.


I don't doubt it, what a shit show


Supermajor invites were given to the top 10 DPC teams at the time when it was announced. Judging by that Optic followed by Fnatic are the next replacements for OG.

I am hoping either Na'vi or some top team like LGD, Liquid or VP also pull out to take rest & both Fnatic and Optic play at the Supermajor. That will surely spice up the tournament.
The more you hurt me, The Stronger I become....
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 29 2018 07:30 GMT
#70


Appears Optic is on their way to the Super Major. Optic needs get out of their group, then 2 upper-bracket wins to lock in a trip to TI8.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 29 2018 07:34 GMT
#71
Hrmm... Optic's run is going to come down to bracket luck... again. Basically, do they avoid VP? That Bucharest bracket draw stage from Slack's screwed up so much of the year.
267
Profile Joined December 2017
64 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-29 18:31:39
May 29 2018 18:25 GMT
#72
Looking at the tournament layout, I would say this is one of the least luck based tournaments I have ever seen in dota. 4 groups with gsl format into a double elimination bracket.

If you dont do well here its because you lack the skill to do so.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
May 29 2018 20:06 GMT
#73
On May 30 2018 03:25 267 wrote:
Looking at the tournament layout, I would say this is one of the least luck based tournaments I have ever seen in dota. 4 groups with gsl format into a double elimination bracket.

If you dont do well here its because you lack the skill to do so.

Yeah it is, plus it's even better than TI since every series is a Bo3
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
May 29 2018 20:44 GMT
#74
On May 30 2018 03:25 267 wrote:
Looking at the tournament layout, I would say this is one of the least luck based tournaments I have ever seen in dota. 4 groups with gsl format into a double elimination bracket.

If you dont do well here its because you lack the skill to do so.


There's a very notable Match-Up issue within Dota. Some times just fail against other ones for reasons not of some measure of total skill. (It's part of why Bo1s aren't a great idea in Dota.)

Thus, what I mean is: Assume Optic makes it top 2 in their group. If they draw against VP in the first round of the Upper bracket, then lose, they have to win 3 Bo3 to make Top 4. If they avoid VP and beat whoever they face, they only need to win 1 more Bo3 to make Top 4. Staying in the Upper Bracket is extremely important in this type of event, and, if VP just has Optic's number, avoiding them makes all of the difference.

So much of this season really comes down to the bracket draw at Bucharest: (Wiki)PGL/Bucharest Major/2018

The entire DPC season looks different if Slacks didn't draw what looked like teams #1, 2, 3 & 5 into the same side of the bracket. Newbee upsetting Secret also produced a path to the finals for VGJ.T.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 03 2018 19:32 GMT
#75
Looking forward to ppd and the boys taking out Secret!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 04 2018 01:32 GMT
#76
One area optic could really use an upgrade is midlane. When I watch ccnc play, he feels outclassed by many of his mid peers.

PPD though is doing a great job with this lineup. It's definitely not capable of winning tournaments, but at least they don't look like a joke.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
June 04 2018 03:05 GMT
#77
I disagree feel CCNC has improved a lot and now can hold his own and win lanes against some good players, would be petty to see them waste all the time build and improving him.
GO OG
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 04 2018 03:58 GMT
#78
On June 04 2018 12:05 Sapaio wrote:
I disagree feel CCNC has improved a lot and now can hold his own and win lanes against some good players, would be petty to see them waste all the time build and improving him.


He is like khezzu. Generally good player just not someone you rely to win tournaments with.
quake
Profile Joined May 2010
United States30 Posts
June 07 2018 08:50 GMT
#79
PPD draft to stronk.
whats up?
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
June 07 2018 10:43 GMT
#80
Just one more series win and they go to TI, just need to beat VP.
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