EPTTeam Liquid Discussion - Page 283
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its_a_me
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juuto
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
Currently only their skill is carrying them. | ||
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juuto
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On April 01 2018 19:55 its_a_me wrote: Their play feels so forced, they dont feel comfortable in the current meta and they try to brute something that isnt working. Currently only their skill is carrying them. It definitely feels like they're forcing something that's not working. I just don't see how these Viper or Venomancer picks for Matu have worked out like they used to at TI. I do believe that in the right game it works, there were good showings in Bucharest, but they seriously can't be picking these "green" heroes as if they're universally great. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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juuto
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BigO
Sweden956 Posts
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juuto
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 01 2018 20:59 juuto wrote: I know Liquid is trying things, I don't mind too much but they also gotta play better than they do now. These different drafts have to work someday rather than constantly failing. I'm completely underwhelmed by GH, MC, and Matumbaman at the moment. Miracle also made a bunch of questionable moves going in really agressive 1v3, getting maledicted and stunned and just dying without anything just now etc... I mean realistically speaking Liquid has gone: 0-1 vs Newbee 0-2 vs LGD 0-1 vs Vici 1-1 vs TNC 1-0 vs OG 1-1 vs Optic 1-0 vs Keen that's really not what you expect from a top3 team and it's quite clear they're having some issues right now. It's all Secret+VP right now as the A-Tier teams, and then a bunch of teams like Liquid, Optic, LGD, Minesky, EG etc all playing roughly at the same level right now where everyone can beat everyone depending on the day. At least the difference isn't as big as VP compared to whoever would be #3 and I don't want to go more into detail when there's really no need for that Don't get me wrong, they absolutely deserve their DPC top3 spot for how dominating they have been playing but there's something going wrong the last couple weeks or even months that needs to be pointed out. | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
I'd rather just be ultra dramatic about how Liquid is performing today and letting myself emotionally whine and bitch about their last few games rather than talking about the overall state of Liquid. They've got Top 4 at every event including with a standin and Kuro playing core. This is just a really awful day and I feel like I'm also projecting a lot of my hatred of bo1s onto them. There are some overall problems I'd gladly like to talk about on another day but I feel like if we do get into talking about the overall state of Liquid today, we'd be discussing it when our heads aren't clear which isn't a good idea imo. [Edit]: Kuro's egotistical ass is going for the all hero challenge. Someone stop him. | ||
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Savatage
Italy182 Posts
I can't believe what i am watching... | ||
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juuto
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
No matter the result, I did enjoy watching mid rubick. | ||
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MintberryCrunchs
Germany462 Posts
On April 01 2018 19:55 its_a_me wrote: Their play feels so forced, they dont feel comfortable in the current meta and they try to brute something that isnt working. Currently only their skill is carrying them. I couldnt agree more! My point of view on that matter: The more talented a team is, the more difficult it becomes to find a stable playstyle that incorporates the strenght and personality of every individual players. Needless to say, Team Liquid has both talent and character in spades. They had found a very refined and stable playstyle arround TI7 that made everyone on the team shine and won them the big trophy. They where able to establish "their game" with a multitude of heroes, making it allmost impossible to outdraft them. I think many would agree that they looked (nearly?) unstopable at that time. But the meta changed and so many aspects of what was core for their strategies got nerfed or changed and on top of that, teams also learned to play better and even counter liquids way of playing. I think its is very hard for a team to put away such a hard earned and refined way of playing and reinvent themself completly. But it is probably what liquid is about to do or at least try and also what they are doomed to, if they want to get the big trophy again. P.S::When i refer to liquids playstyle during TI7 i would summarize it as a heavy early/midgame focused tricore lineups that like to end the game at roughly 30 minutes. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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noh2o
China71 Posts
On April 01 2018 20:59 juuto wrote: I know Liquid is trying things, I don't mind too much but they also gotta play better than they do now. These different drafts have to work someday rather than constantly failing. I'm completely underwhelmed by GH, MC, and Matumbaman at the moment. yes,i agree. they are trying things,when tl vs lgd,bh came out,when tl vs op,veno came out, No matter how far they can go in this troument i love this guys | ||
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