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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
October 15 2017 21:24 GMT
#5021
Oh haha just saw draft for game5

Icefrog needs to nerf liquid fast or the team won't live up the the Liquid Brand of heart attack inducing dark horse for a long time.

They pull KOTL out of the bag finally
Mineski who obviously studied it over compensate with nyx core and disruptor
Liquid Fake out, throw it on sacrificial 5 on Kuro

And game is all but over right there pretty much
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
October 16 2017 02:42 GMT
#5022
Remember that wings won their first tournaments after TI too. Curse is strong, don't doubt the curse XD
HeYmaney
Profile Joined August 2015
Switzerland193 Posts
October 16 2017 05:41 GMT
#5023
One question bothers me, maybe I didn't read enough about it, but is the TI winner (aka Liquid) gonna get a direct invite for TI8 this season or not?
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 05:46:34
October 16 2017 05:46 GMT
#5024
6 in a row! Woo Hooo!

Dream League season 6 ✓
Star Ladder i-league StarSeries Season 3 ✓
Star Ladder i-league Invitational Season 2 ✓
Epicenter 2017 ✓
The International 2017 ✓
Star Ladder i-league Invitational Season 3 ✓


ESL Hamburg 2017 - Next.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 08:13:31
October 16 2017 08:13 GMT
#5025
On October 16 2017 14:41 HeYmaney wrote:
One question bothers me, maybe I didn't read enough about it, but is the TI winner (aka Liquid) gonna get a direct invite for TI8 this season or not?

We have the point system now, so no. The 8 teams with the most points get a direct invite.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-16 08:38:43
October 16 2017 08:37 GMT
#5026
On October 16 2017 14:46 NInoff wrote:
6 in a row! Woo Hooo!

Dream League season 6 ✓
Star Ladder i-league StarSeries Season 3 ✓
Star Ladder i-league Invitational Season 2 ✓
Epicenter 2017 ✓
The International 2017 ✓
Star Ladder i-league Invitational Season 3 ✓


ESL Hamburg 2017 - Next.

5 in a row actually. Liquipedia is somehow missing dreamleague Season 7, which was right before TI. Also Season 6 was still in 2016, we lost some stuff like kiew or DAC after that. But still very impressive of course;)
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4988 Posts
October 16 2017 09:39 GMT
#5027
We are not: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Team_Liquid/Results

If you just check the main page, that just shows the 10 best results according to some formula, so obviously wins go in there more often.
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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3457 Posts
October 16 2017 10:29 GMT
#5028
On October 16 2017 18:39 FO-nTTaX wrote:
We are not: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Team_Liquid/Results

If you just check the main page, that just shows the 10 best results according to some formula, so obviously wins go in there more often.


May June July August October never lost a tournament.
We're collecting dem cheques every month.
drumandbass
Profile Joined June 2014
Hungary63 Posts
October 16 2017 10:52 GMT
#5029
It hasn't been so nice to be a Liquid fan since the summer of Taeja. GG WP to players and management both!
"... you put water in a cup, it becomes the cup; you put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle; you put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
October 16 2017 13:20 GMT
#5030
The Liquid Nerf Patch is coming, brace yourselves.

They will change not only heroes, but main gameplay components. Neutral XP ammount, range, distribution, positioning, maybe even the map itself. My guess is that there will be new mechanic like the shrines etc.

A huge patch that messes up dota playstyle as it is, is the only way to stop the boys.
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 16 2017 16:06 GMT
#5031
On October 16 2017 22:20 NInoff wrote:
The Liquid Nerf Patch is coming, brace yourselves.

They will change not only heroes, but main gameplay components. Neutral XP ammount, range, distribution, positioning, maybe even the map itself. My guess is that there will be new mechanic like the shrines etc.

A huge patch that messes up dota playstyle as it is, is the only way to stop the boys.

Is it really enough? I feel like liquid is way to flexible to be nerfed, they can play any way they want to. We are not limited in our strategies like TI3 Alliance. The other teams have to learn new stuff too then, also most teams dont have brilliant people like kuro and heen. Im not really worried about the patch;)
MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
October 17 2017 03:46 GMT
#5032
Liquid man....
#TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 24 2017 00:01 GMT
#5033
Next title in a few days guys! Maybe they should just give it to us, since its still the same patch;)
Kyir
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1047 Posts
October 24 2017 00:57 GMT
#5034
Yeah, it seems much more fair to let all those other peasants fight for second without worrying about Liquid.
sCuMBaG
Profile Joined August 2006
United Kingdom1144 Posts
October 24 2017 08:15 GMT
#5035
On October 17 2017 01:06 hunter_x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2017 22:20 NInoff wrote:
The Liquid Nerf Patch is coming, brace yourselves.

They will change not only heroes, but main gameplay components. Neutral XP ammount, range, distribution, positioning, maybe even the map itself. My guess is that there will be new mechanic like the shrines etc.

A huge patch that messes up dota playstyle as it is, is the only way to stop the boys.

Is it really enough? I feel like liquid is way to flexible to be nerfed, they can play any way they want to. We are not limited in our strategies like TI3 Alliance. The other teams have to learn new stuff too then, also most teams dont have brilliant people like kuro and heen. Im not really worried about the patch;)


I hope you are right.

Before the last big patch, which iirc changed mid lane and creep gold - Matu and Miracle had quite some issues finding and distributing farm. So the only thing I'm slightly concerned about is that valve might want to limit farm a bit more again.
However, it does really feel like Matu has become so much better at playing a bit of a sacrificial carry and more of tempo control than farm oriented role.

Overall I feel like it might need a bunch of adjusting - but they should be able to get there fairly quickly I guess.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
October 24 2017 10:04 GMT
#5036
On October 24 2017 17:15 sCuMBaG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2017 01:06 hunter_x wrote:
On October 16 2017 22:20 NInoff wrote:
The Liquid Nerf Patch is coming, brace yourselves.

They will change not only heroes, but main gameplay components. Neutral XP ammount, range, distribution, positioning, maybe even the map itself. My guess is that there will be new mechanic like the shrines etc.

A huge patch that messes up dota playstyle as it is, is the only way to stop the boys.

Is it really enough? I feel like liquid is way to flexible to be nerfed, they can play any way they want to. We are not limited in our strategies like TI3 Alliance. The other teams have to learn new stuff too then, also most teams dont have brilliant people like kuro and heen. Im not really worried about the patch;)


I hope you are right.

Before the last big patch, which iirc changed mid lane and creep gold - Matu and Miracle had quite some issues finding and distributing farm.

in fact the biggest change was that jungle creeps returned to spawn every minute instead of each 2 minutes. So suddendly even if jungle wasn't very efficient, there was still farm for both.
NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-24 13:07:20
October 24 2017 13:03 GMT
#5037
On October 24 2017 17:15 sCuMBaG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2017 01:06 hunter_x wrote:
On October 16 2017 22:20 NInoff wrote:
The Liquid Nerf Patch is coming, brace yourselves.

They will change not only heroes, but main gameplay components. Neutral XP ammount, range, distribution, positioning, maybe even the map itself. My guess is that there will be new mechanic like the shrines etc.

A huge patch that messes up dota playstyle as it is, is the only way to stop the boys.

Is it really enough? I feel like liquid is way to flexible to be nerfed, they can play any way they want to. We are not limited in our strategies like TI3 Alliance. The other teams have to learn new stuff too then, also most teams dont have brilliant people like kuro and heen. Im not really worried about the patch;)


I hope you are right.

Before the last big patch, which iirc changed mid lane and creep gold - Matu and Miracle had quite some issues finding and distributing farm. So the only thing I'm slightly concerned about is that valve might want to limit farm a bit more again.
However, it does really feel like Matu has become so much better at playing a bit of a sacrificial carry and more of tempo control than farm oriented role.

Overall I feel like it might need a bunch of adjusting - but they should be able to get there fairly quickly I guess.


Back then they were trying to distribute farm for both of them. And thats not really a viable strat. Now they are much more flexible. Miracle carries if he gets farm, Matu carries if he gets farm. If both fail - MC wins the game. And if he for some reason doesn't have a good day GH plays an insane 4 position and we are still fine. All that powered by Kuro Draft and in game Calling and positioning.

And of course if all of the above fails (5% chance - liquid lose). So people have a chance in Bo1.

P.S. Keep in mind that i only reviewed situations when only 1 or 2 have a good game. If more of them do its a complete dismantle, textbook dota and opponents look like they've just learned the game.
Not to mention the absoluteley insane positioning of the team and my favourite Choose your poison strat - You either lose Rosh or T3 bottom ( and rax probably )
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
October 26 2017 12:29 GMT
#5038




Pretty cool
anonymous is the most famous author that anyone can be
hunter_x
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany2762 Posts
October 26 2017 15:04 GMT
#5039
On October 26 2017 21:29 YourGoodFriend wrote:
https://twitter.com/mhmd_elmrd/status/923142156029751296

https://twitter.com/Cyborgmatt/status/923141807617314816

Pretty cool

Sexy car, makes you want to have one;)
tendosai
Profile Joined August 2016
13 Posts
October 26 2017 18:27 GMT
#5040
5mn into the game with Spectre, I thought LQ is doing stuff with new strat. but at around 14mn ... they actually do experiment with this line up and testing how the enemies counter+react to it.
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