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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
On June 07 2017 02:23 juuto wrote: According to Noxville's Twitter, who knows the rules, Secret needs to win 2/3 of their series for Liquid to have a good chance or they can lose every single series. So 2 way tie with OG means we're in playoffs. 3 ways means we're going home if I understand that correctly? | ||
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juuto
809 Posts
On June 07 2017 02:26 vndestiny wrote: So 2 way tie with OG means we're in playoffs. 3 ways means we're going home if I understand that correctly? Yeah, I think so. | ||
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f0xteam
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Porcupinathy
235 Posts
On June 07 2017 06:15 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: What happens if OG beat Secret 2-1 and Liquid beat Navi 2-0? Both 2-2 in matches and 5-5 in games. Based on what Noxville said, the only thing that matters is match score between tied teams, not match score overall. In this case, Liquid would have a record of 2-3 against OG/Secret, which would be the worst of the three in any scenario in which there's a three-way tiebreaker. + Show Spoiler + If OG 2-0 Secret, then OG is 3-2, Secret is 2-2 If OG 2-1 Secret, then OG is 3-3, Secret is 2-2 Either way, Liquid comes in last with 2-3 Because of this, the conditions for Liquid going through to main stage are simply: - Liquid beats Navi - Secret wins at least one of their two matches + Show Spoiler + Full explanation would be: If Liquid lose to Navi, the best scenario is a 3 way 1-3 tie between OG/Liquid/Navi, which OG will win. So, assuming Liquid beats Navi: If Secret beats OG, tiebreaker rules don't matter because TL would be 2-2, and OG 3-1 If Secret beats LFY, the worst that can happen is TL and OG tying for third. 2-way tiebreaks are decided by head-to-head results, to TL goes through. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
Even the series against Navi tomorrow is anything but a guaranteed win. I've lost count of the number of times Liquid has gone home from a tournament after losing what everyone called a free win. Hope the boys can maintain their composure and play their best tomorrow. | ||
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uthgard
2098 Posts
although ofc they have to beat navi first | ||
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juuto
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kun3
101 Posts
Yapzor being sick, or what ever, most likely means Secret will lose both matches and with that Liquid is out from the main event. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
And if it is decided by some other weird mechanic and Liquid doesn't make it through... fuck this. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
Come on, Yappy. You can't let a little thing like food poisoning hold you back. Go beat LFY or OG! | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3440 Posts
On June 07 2017 20:15 NInoff wrote: Well if Secret lose both their games they will be 4:4. and if Liquid 2:0s Navi they will be 5:5. So If the games won are counted Liquid gets ahead. Also If direct encounters are counted and secret cant play this means that liquid won vs og, and lost to secret, secret won vs liquid lost to OG, and OG won to secret and lost to Liquid. This is 3 way tie that can only be decided with coin flip or tiebreakers. There is enough time for tiebreakers. And if it is decided by some other weird mechanic and Liquid doesn't make it through... fuck this. It's by map score between tied teams so in either OG vs Secret 2:0 or 2:1 we're out. Given Secret lose to LFY. | ||
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sCuMBaG
United Kingdom1144 Posts
On June 07 2017 22:13 vndestiny wrote: It's by map score between tied teams so in either OG vs Secret 2:0 or 2:1 we're out. Given Secret lose to LFY. I'm not so sure about your 2-1 scenario. Liquid is 2-2 in series, 5-5 in matches. OG is 1-2 in series, 3-4 in matches with Secret game left. If they win 2-1 => 2-2 in series, 5-5 in matches - equalling Liquid, but h2h Liquid won. Please tell me if I'm being stupid, but to me it looks like OG needs to 2-0 Secret to safely advance. Also - What happens if Secret lose both games 0-2? They'd be 2-2 and 4-4. In terms of matches, is 5-5 better or 4-4? One has a win more, but also a loss more.... | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On June 07 2017 22:23 sCuMBaG wrote: I'm not so sure about your 2-1 scenario. Liquid is 2-2 in series, 5-5 in matches. OG is 1-2 in series, 3-4 in matches with Secret game left. If they win 2-1 => 2-2 in series, 5-5 in matches - equalling Liquid, but h2h Liquid won. Please tell me if I'm being stupid, but to me it looks like OG needs to 2-0 Secret to safely advance. Also - What happens if Secret lose both game 0-2? They'd be 2-2 and 4-4. In terms of matches, is 5-5 better or 4-4? One has a win more, but also a loss more.... It's head to head as a tiebreaker, so if og 2-way ties with liquid then liquid wins even if og is 5-4 and liquid 5-5. A 2 way requires to OG win vs. secret and secret winning vs lgd. If secret loses both matches then it's a 3 way tie, as everyone took games from each other the tiebreaker then is maps won from each other, making it: Liquid is 2-3 (won a 2-1 lost 2-0) OG is either 3-2 or 3-3 (lost 1-2 and won 2-0 or 2-1) Secret is 2-2 or 3-2 (won 2-0 and lost to og as a requirement for 3 way tie) Liquid is out with the 2-3. | ||
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YourGoodFriend
United States2197 Posts
On June 07 2017 22:23 sCuMBaG wrote: I'm not so sure about your 2-1 scenario. Liquid is 2-2 in series, 5-5 in matches. OG is 1-2 in series, 3-4 in matches with Secret game left. If they win 2-1 => 2-2 in series, 5-5 in matches - equalling Liquid, but h2h Liquid won. Please tell me if I'm being stupid, but to me it looks like OG needs to 2-0 Secret to safely advance. Also - What happens if Secret lose both games 0-2? They'd be 2-2 and 4-4. In terms of matches, is 5-5 better or 4-4? One has a win more, but also a loss more.... according to Liquipedia Tiebreaker rules: Two teams: Head to head result Three or more teams: Match Score between the tied teams Game Score between the tied teams Results vs non-tied teams (starting with the top seeded team) If the tie can not be broken, an additional set of games will be played. I think OG and Secret go through? OG lost to liquid (2-1) OG beat Secret (2-0) Secret beat Liquid (2-0). OG has best map score 3-2, Secret 2-2, Liquid 2-3 If Secret beat OG nothing else matters and Secret and Liquid go through, same if they beat LGFY. Liquid needs Secret to win one of the BO3 for them to go through otherwise they are out | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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juuto
809 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Go SECREEEET | ||
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