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vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-25 23:52:58
May 25 2017 23:52 GMT
#3941
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.
f0xteam
Profile Joined December 2015
79 Posts
May 26 2017 00:49 GMT
#3942
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.


yep top4 at Moscow + the win at sl will secure the invite i believe
kek
vndestiny
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore3457 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 00:51:41
May 26 2017 00:51 GMT
#3943
On May 26 2017 09:49 f0xteam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.


yep top4 at Moscow + the win at sl will secure the invite i believe


Top 4 ? Idk what you're talking about we're gonna be back to back Epicenter champion.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
May 26 2017 12:24 GMT
#3944
On May 26 2017 09:51 vndestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 09:49 f0xteam wrote:
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.


yep top4 at Moscow + the win at sl will secure the invite i believe


Top 4 ? Idk what you're talking about we're gonna be back to back Epicenter champion.


This man speaks truth!

By the laws of math we will win, Newbee is looking the strongest at Manila, NB was in our group at SL and we came first ergo Liquid number 1 Dotas GG
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NInoff
Profile Joined August 2011
Bulgaria1105 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 13:31:55
May 26 2017 13:30 GMT
#3945
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.

Well there has been a discussion about Starladder being weak tournament a couple of pages back.
As we can see both OG and EG got crushed by Newbie (TBH they almost got beaten by NP, it was a close series). And Newbie got crushed by Liquid and TNC in starladder. So this proves once again that the new patch changes everything. OG don't looks so strong anymore, EG are shaky IG has very bad days and this means that Liquid are currently top contender for the invite.Hell i haven't seen them look shaky since they stopped picking naga every game. I'd love to see us wining Epicenter too ( this will also revive hunter_x) but top 4 there should be enough. This means winning the group is enough.
Lets wait and see, fingers crossed.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 26 2017 15:00 GMT
#3946
On May 26 2017 22:30 NInoff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.

Well there has been a discussion about Starladder being weak tournament a couple of pages back.
As we can see both OG and EG got crushed by Newbie (TBH they almost got beaten by NP, it was a close series). And Newbie got crushed by Liquid and TNC in starladder. So this proves once again that the new patch changes everything. OG don't looks so strong anymore, EG are shaky IG has very bad days and this means that Liquid are currently top contender for the invite.Hell i haven't seen them look shaky since they stopped picking naga every game. I'd love to see us wining Epicenter too ( this will also revive hunter_x) but top 4 there should be enough. This means winning the group is enough.
Lets wait and see, fingers crossed.

EG, OG, iG and VP are basically guaranteed invites for being top 4 at Kiev.

The only question is if EU gets another invite slot, and if Liquid has earned it over the other EU contenders (which they probably have).
Average means I'm better than half of you.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 15:37:19
May 26 2017 15:34 GMT
#3947
On May 27 2017 00:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2017 22:30 NInoff wrote:
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.

Well there has been a discussion about Starladder being weak tournament a couple of pages back.
As we can see both OG and EG got crushed by Newbie (TBH they almost got beaten by NP, it was a close series). And Newbie got crushed by Liquid and TNC in starladder. So this proves once again that the new patch changes everything. OG don't looks so strong anymore, EG are shaky IG has very bad days and this means that Liquid are currently top contender for the invite.Hell i haven't seen them look shaky since they stopped picking naga every game. I'd love to see us wining Epicenter too ( this will also revive hunter_x) but top 4 there should be enough. This means winning the group is enough.
Lets wait and see, fingers crossed.

EG, OG, iG and VP are basically guaranteed invites for being top 4 at Kiev.

The only question is if EU gets another invite slot, and if Liquid has earned it over the other EU contenders (which they probably have).


Just because EG and iG were top 4 I dont think they will be automatically slotted for an invite. VP has not looked good at all this patch, out of EG iG and OG, iG and OG are not looking that good right now but with OG's major win they are basically a lock.

IG and Newbee are still the strongest China contenders right now so both of them will probably get invites (depending on Manila and EpiCenter)

For EU right now its OG with a basically guaranteed invite and then really you have to say TL is the next strongest EU team especially if they place higher than VP at epiCenter I don't see them not being the other EU invite (assuming its like last year with 2 EU invites)

I mean if TL wins dream league and then places top 4 at epiCenter how can you make the argument that VP is better deserving of the invite (unless VP places higher at epiCenter)
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 16:21:14
May 26 2017 16:16 GMT
#3948
What is this "VP hasn't looked good at all on this patch" based on? They won Mr. Cat over Empire and Secret. Sure they didn't make it to the Dreamleague LAN but their record was literally 1 game away from being the same as Liquids. They messed up a bit but it's not like they bombed out. They'll play Epicenter and Summit so we'll see then I suppose, but I don't see them losing their invite. Even AF (current mouz) got invited to Kiev despite 2nd place at Boston being their only result and them having terrible online performances soon after.

EG is also probably pretty much a lock. Top4 at the major and they already secured top3 at Manila. OG will naturally get invited as the winner of both majors even if they don't win a game anymore at Manila and Epicenter. iG should also be a lock given that they won DAC, got top4 at Kiev and they haven't done that badly since.

The other invites depend quite a bit on how many slots there will be. If they invite 8 teams again then Liquid's chances are very good. They'll have to do pretty poorly at Epicenter to lose their spot I think. But it also depends on which other teams do well in these future events. I don't think Newbee was in any way a lock but they've been making a run at Manila so they are in the running. Secret was in a good position to get several good results after qualifying to everything but they again placed poorly on LAN. There's a bunch of teams that have a chance if they do well at the LANs they play in such as TBirds, NP, TNC, CG, etc. But it's hard to see a scenario where there are 4 additional teams that in the end have better results than Liquid. TNC is probably the likeliest out of those given that they were 2nd at SL and they still play at a Chinese LAN with decent enough competition at the same time as the Summit. The other candidates basically have to win one of these LANs to get in.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 16:46:27
May 26 2017 16:42 GMT
#3949
I will always rather see more quali slots and less invites. Imho invites should be 6: OG, VP, EG, IG, Liquid*, Newbee**. Then you get CN and sea 2 quali spots + 1spot for each other region + 1 wild card.

SO it would be like this: 6 invites + 8 regional qualifiers + 2 wildcards = 16 teams

You would probably leave some good teams behind, but competition is fierce atm.

*If epicenter winner isn't in listed in the invites i wrote then liquid probably loses their invite spot
**If newbee wins manilla

Just an adendo: If liquid wins the water themed international we will have a good meme on our hands. (make it happen)
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 16:50:29
May 26 2017 16:50 GMT
#3950
That doesn't sound bad at all and it isn't even that unlikely. I'd also far prefer wildcards over somewhat arbitrarily making a decision to force 8 invites as there were at Kiev. Those last invited teams often only have 1 good result or marginally better results than some other teams. Far better imo to just put the spots for wildcards so that teams from different regions can play their way in.
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-26 16:59:49
May 26 2017 16:59 GMT
#3951
On May 27 2017 01:50 spudde123 wrote:
That doesn't sound bad at all and it isn't even that unlikely. I'd also far prefer wildcards over somewhat arbitrarily making a decision to force 8 invites as there were at Kiev. Those last invited teams often only have 1 good result or marginally better results than some other teams. Far better imo to just put the spots for wildcards so that teams from different regions can play their way in.

Yeah, but they do happen to invite 4 they probably would give +1 spot for NA and EU
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 26 2017 18:19 GMT
#3952
On May 27 2017 00:34 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 00:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 26 2017 22:30 NInoff wrote:
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.

Well there has been a discussion about Starladder being weak tournament a couple of pages back.
As we can see both OG and EG got crushed by Newbie (TBH they almost got beaten by NP, it was a close series). And Newbie got crushed by Liquid and TNC in starladder. So this proves once again that the new patch changes everything. OG don't looks so strong anymore, EG are shaky IG has very bad days and this means that Liquid are currently top contender for the invite.Hell i haven't seen them look shaky since they stopped picking naga every game. I'd love to see us wining Epicenter too ( this will also revive hunter_x) but top 4 there should be enough. This means winning the group is enough.
Lets wait and see, fingers crossed.

EG, OG, iG and VP are basically guaranteed invites for being top 4 at Kiev.

The only question is if EU gets another invite slot, and if Liquid has earned it over the other EU contenders (which they probably have).


Just because EG and iG were top 4 I dont think they will be automatically slotted for an invite. VP has not looked good at all this patch, out of EG iG and OG, iG and OG are not looking that good right now but with OG's major win they are basically a lock.

IG and Newbee are still the strongest China contenders right now so both of them will probably get invites (depending on Manila and EpiCenter)

For EU right now its OG with a basically guaranteed invite and then really you have to say TL is the next strongest EU team especially if they place higher than VP at epiCenter I don't see them not being the other EU invite (assuming its like last year with 2 EU invites)

I mean if TL wins dream league and then places top 4 at epiCenter how can you make the argument that VP is better deserving of the invite (unless VP places higher at epiCenter)

VP is CIS. Valve has separated the region.

VP vs TL really isn't even in consideration anymore.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-27 00:18:22
May 27 2017 00:17 GMT
#3953
On May 27 2017 03:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 00:34 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On May 27 2017 00:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 26 2017 22:30 NInoff wrote:
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.

Well there has been a discussion about Starladder being weak tournament a couple of pages back.
As we can see both OG and EG got crushed by Newbie (TBH they almost got beaten by NP, it was a close series). And Newbie got crushed by Liquid and TNC in starladder. So this proves once again that the new patch changes everything. OG don't looks so strong anymore, EG are shaky IG has very bad days and this means that Liquid are currently top contender for the invite.Hell i haven't seen them look shaky since they stopped picking naga every game. I'd love to see us wining Epicenter too ( this will also revive hunter_x) but top 4 there should be enough. This means winning the group is enough.
Lets wait and see, fingers crossed.

EG, OG, iG and VP are basically guaranteed invites for being top 4 at Kiev.

The only question is if EU gets another invite slot, and if Liquid has earned it over the other EU contenders (which they probably have).


Just because EG and iG were top 4 I dont think they will be automatically slotted for an invite. VP has not looked good at all this patch, out of EG iG and OG, iG and OG are not looking that good right now but with OG's major win they are basically a lock.

IG and Newbee are still the strongest China contenders right now so both of them will probably get invites (depending on Manila and EpiCenter)

For EU right now its OG with a basically guaranteed invite and then really you have to say TL is the next strongest EU team especially if they place higher than VP at epiCenter I don't see them not being the other EU invite (assuming its like last year with 2 EU invites)

I mean if TL wins dream league and then places top 4 at epiCenter how can you make the argument that VP is better deserving of the invite (unless VP places higher at epiCenter)

VP is CIS. Valve has separated the region.

VP vs TL really isn't even in consideration anymore.


Oh you right I forget that, well in that case liquid is basically a lock for 2nd eu invite
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
May 28 2017 11:18 GMT
#3954
On May 27 2017 09:17 YourGoodFriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2017 03:19 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 27 2017 00:34 YourGoodFriend wrote:
On May 27 2017 00:00 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On May 26 2017 22:30 NInoff wrote:
On May 26 2017 08:52 vndestiny wrote:
I'm seeing so many dissing Liquid as not TI invite worthy.
We'll kicking everyone asses in Epicenter to show them up.

Well there has been a discussion about Starladder being weak tournament a couple of pages back.
As we can see both OG and EG got crushed by Newbie (TBH they almost got beaten by NP, it was a close series). And Newbie got crushed by Liquid and TNC in starladder. So this proves once again that the new patch changes everything. OG don't looks so strong anymore, EG are shaky IG has very bad days and this means that Liquid are currently top contender for the invite.Hell i haven't seen them look shaky since they stopped picking naga every game. I'd love to see us wining Epicenter too ( this will also revive hunter_x) but top 4 there should be enough. This means winning the group is enough.
Lets wait and see, fingers crossed.

EG, OG, iG and VP are basically guaranteed invites for being top 4 at Kiev.

The only question is if EU gets another invite slot, and if Liquid has earned it over the other EU contenders (which they probably have).


Just because EG and iG were top 4 I dont think they will be automatically slotted for an invite. VP has not looked good at all this patch, out of EG iG and OG, iG and OG are not looking that good right now but with OG's major win they are basically a lock.

IG and Newbee are still the strongest China contenders right now so both of them will probably get invites (depending on Manila and EpiCenter)

For EU right now its OG with a basically guaranteed invite and then really you have to say TL is the next strongest EU team especially if they place higher than VP at epiCenter I don't see them not being the other EU invite (assuming its like last year with 2 EU invites)

I mean if TL wins dream league and then places top 4 at epiCenter how can you make the argument that VP is better deserving of the invite (unless VP places higher at epiCenter)

VP is CIS. Valve has separated the region.

VP vs TL really isn't even in consideration anymore.


Oh you right I forget that, well in that case liquid is basically a lock for 2nd eu invite


I hope so but I think EPICENTER will be the biggest deciding factor. I'm not saying they need to win to get the invite, but I think they'll get it if they place higher than, or not too far behind, Secret.
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 28 2017 12:23 GMT
#3955
Do we want a direct invite?
We're the best team in the world
more games=more practice
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
chabode
Profile Joined March 2017
330 Posts
May 28 2017 15:33 GMT
#3956
On May 28 2017 21:23 LemOn wrote:
Do we want a direct invite?
We're the best team in the world
more games=more practice

is this a sign to just waltzing through EU qualifier?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
May 28 2017 15:56 GMT
#3957
Well
on the other hand
I don't think it's fair on the other teams at all to have Liquid in the qualifier and someone weaker get direct invite
So yeah okay Naz, you can confirm to Valve you'll take the direct invite
you know
for fairness
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
May 28 2017 17:05 GMT
#3958
I mean after watching the teams at Manila and watching all of liquids games at SL I think TNC and liquid are the strongest looking two teams right now. I mean newbee got 2nd at Manila and faceless got fourth. Newbee was 2-0ed by TNC and faceless looked like a tier two team against liquid (not even making it to 30 minutes in both games) at SL
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juuto
Profile Joined January 2014
809 Posts
May 28 2017 23:08 GMT
#3959
On May 29 2017 02:05 YourGoodFriend wrote:
I mean after watching the teams at Manila and watching all of liquids games at SL I think TNC and liquid are the strongest looking two teams right now. I mean newbee got 2nd at Manila and faceless got fourth. Newbee was 2-0ed by TNC and faceless looked like a tier two team against liquid (not even making it to 30 minutes in both games) at SL


Manila was definitely a disappointment when it came to seeing the strongest teams of the patch playing it out.

Definitely strong teams there but the lack of TNC and Liquid could be felt. I'm sure we'd be saying the something similar about Starladder if Manila came first, but a lot of the strong teams of the patch just seem like they're missing from a lot of these events.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
May 29 2017 08:38 GMT
#3960
On May 25 2017 21:16 jack_knife wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2017 09:59 icystorage wrote:
is hunter_x the missing love child of -Combat-Ex-?

lmao, you play starcraft?

Of course!
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