On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong
He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team!
Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year.
I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL.
I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad.
Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition.
That s an interesting prediction ; ) They got 2 proven major winner, in terms of carry performance a top 3 safelane carry, a 8k mmr supp player with high skill and moo. I don t want to underrate moo, he is hard working and he is top 3 offlanes in NA.
They will have a great future if they stick. They also got players that are able to play each hero without an exception, from io to chen, to es to meepo. They got a lot of pubstars that naturally adjust fast with new meta hero pools.
On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong
He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team!
Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year.
I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL.
I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad.
Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition.
On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong
He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team!
Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year.
I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL.
I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad.
Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition.
That s an interesting prediction ; ) They got 2 proven major winner, in terms of carry performance a top 3 safelane carry, a 8k mmr supp player with high skill and moo. I don t want to underrate moo, he is hard working and he is top 3 offlanes in NA.
They will have a great future if they stick. They also got players that are able to play each hero without an exception, from io to chen, to es to meepo. They got a lot of pubstars that naturally adjust fast with new meta hero pools.
I think in game 2 vs the series against EHOME last night we saw three-four players of EHOME agreeing with you and trying to stop Moo... and failing miserably. You can kill him once, you can kill him twice, but you can't keep him down ^_^ People in the live thread shitting on Moo's Timbersaw as well when he died those few times vs the 3-4 players of EHOME in his lane, including a bloody Nyx, which is an almost perfect counter to Timbersaw. Just ridiculous. Never mind the fact that this is, afaik, the first time he's been on a stage this big, or even in a pro team that can compete at this level.
I could not believe that the panel were all supporting EHOME at the start of the match. It's like they're not watching the same TI that I am, lol. And still, after they won, people are attributing DCs win to EHOME playing poorly when that's just what happens when you get SUNSFANNED.
I know they can beat Fnatic/MVP/Wings as well in terms of individual player skill and draft. It's just going to come down to whether they show up together as a team, which is entirely up to their mindset as they walk on stage. To me, it was absolutely clear that's why they lost the games that they lost.
EG might be a different beast, but purely because EG are absolutely working as a unit almost 100% of the time. It is very hard to break them. Even if one player of EG were to stand in the enemy fountain all game, he would be doing that for the team (for whatever reason).
On August 12 2016 13:11 Xendarii wrote: Just woke up to see that they beat EHOME 2-0 O_o what is happening? This is amazing!
Some good games.
Game 1 was an outdraft by DC. Ehome didn't ban ET, then walked into a position 4 Naga, so their draft was setup to counter something that didn't happen. Moo got out of control and the game was over pretty quickly.
Game 2 was another good draft by DC and a more questionable one from Ehome. It was closer because they killed Moo several times early, but once DC started dropping Sentry Wards, Ehome couldn't get the jump anymore. And it went down hill quickly from that.
During the games vs TnC, some caster or analyst said that DC has probably had the strongest drafts of all teams throughout the tournament so far. I'm really proud of Misery!
Remember EE saying that Misery was the only member of C9 who's not "next level"? Yeah, well spoken, Mr. Bottom Four.
On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong
He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team!
Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year.
I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL.
I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad.
Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition.
On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong
He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team!
Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year.
I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL.
I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad.
Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition.
That s an interesting prediction ; ) They got 2 proven major winner, in terms of carry performance a top 3 safelane carry, a 8k mmr supp player with high skill and moo. I don t want to underrate moo, he is hard working and he is top 3 offlanes in NA.
They will have a great future if they stick. They also got players that are able to play each hero without an exception, from io to chen, to es to meepo. They got a lot of pubstars that naturally adjust fast with new meta hero pools.
I think in game 2 vs the series against EHOME last night we saw three-four players of EHOME agreeing with you and trying to stop Moo... and failing miserably. You can kill him once, you can kill him twice, but you can't keep him down ^_^ People in the live thread shitting on Moo's Timbersaw as well when he died those few times vs the 3-4 players of EHOME in his lane, including a bloody Nyx, which is an almost perfect counter to Timbersaw. Just ridiculous. Never mind the fact that this is, afaik, the first time he's been on a stage this big, or even in a pro team that can compete at this level.
I could not believe that the panel were all supporting EHOME at the start of the match. It's like they're not watching the same TI that I am, lol. And still, after they won, people are attributing DCs win to EHOME playing poorly when that's just what happens when you get SUNSFANNED.
I know they can beat Fnatic/MVP/Wings as well in terms of individual player skill and draft. It's just going to come down to whether they show up together as a team, which is entirely up to their mindset as they walk on stage. To me, it was absolutely clear that's why they lost the games that they lost.
EG might be a different beast, but purely because EG are absolutely working as a unit almost 100% of the time. It is very hard to break them. Even if one player of EG were to stand in the enemy fountain all game, he would be doing that for the team (for whatever reason).
They are having a good tournament no doubt. I still standby what I said. There won't be the level of consistency/dominance that og/liquid has shown, regardless of how high they finish here. Probably gonna do a Vega, albeit at the most important tournament. Feel free to quote me then when I'm wrong.
On August 12 2016 14:10 Xendarii wrote: During the games vs TnC, some caster or analyst said that DC has probably had the strongest drafts of all teams throughout the tournament so far. I'm really proud of Misery!
Remember EE saying that Misery was the only member of C9 who's not "next level"? Yeah, well spoken, Mr. Bottom Four.
Being next level means nothing if you can't get through the current level
On August 12 2016 15:52 DucK- wrote: They are having a good tournament no doubt. I still standby what I said. There won't be the level of consistency/dominance that og/liquid has shown, regardless of how high they finish here. Probably gonna do a Vega, albeit at the most important tournament. Feel free to quote me then when I'm wrong.
On August 12 2016 14:10 Xendarii wrote: During the games vs TnC, some caster or analyst said that DC has probably had the strongest drafts of all teams throughout the tournament so far. I'm really proud of Misery!
Remember EE saying that Misery was the only member of C9 who's not "next level"? Yeah, well spoken, Mr. Bottom Four.
Thats what makes me so happy, all the flames - remember ppy also said a lot often that w33 is not listening and not creating a good athmosphere, EE was flaming misery as the weak link in c9.. and there were a few other comments.
Now ppl are discussing if EE will leave secret cause he is just bad since months and w33 and misery take over. Thats karma... and after I saw the flames from ppy against kuro - there needs to be something like justice.
EE was never flaming Misery as any sort of "weak link". He made a team with him after c9 for crying out loud. You have to twist the words pretty hard to make such a comment.
Nice to see DC doing so well. Fans could take a lesson from w33 though and just concentrate on the current team instead of making references to Secret all the time
Having followed Moo for the last 6+ months it honestly doesn't come as much of a suprise, the only really impressive thing is that he has kept his composure as well as he has this tournament. If you had an eye on NA dota there has been a lot of people tipping Moo for quite a while as an excellent player.
Watching him he really carried a lot of the strength of the Fire/Archon stack that qualified for ESL NY. ESL format put them out of that tournament to the winners Vega. After that it was no fluke that DC qualified for so many LANs this year despite often fighting for the qualification spot against a strong CoL team and a number of other solid NA teams. If theres anything I've noticed about top tier dota teams its the teams that go to LANs that eventually rise.
Watching the draft, it looks like Misery already has their opponent pinned down halfway through. It's just a matter of execution after that, and they've been on-point so far. And if today's games are anything to go on, EG should be ez pickings with an early Voidface ban. Universe seems very one-dimensional this patch in terms of his team fight contribution. Although, DC might even have a plan to deal with his hero another way.
EPT
