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TheYango
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Xendarii
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On July 14 2016 10:16 the bear jew wrote: Think the pressure got to them? I thought FDL looked better, partly cause expectations were lower. Think the pressure is getting into their heads? Honestly, they just look unprepared for the games. The in-game mechanical play is fine, but they lose the early game most of the time. They've had the same problem that pre-Shanghai Team Secret always ended up having. How they plan to win a game just isn't laid out well. (That version of Secret normally just made sure to draft EE some late-game carry and hope for the best.) They've normally got on the same page for most of the game, so they give up kills that they shouldn't. Lose lanes they shouldn't. Though I feel like their bans have been wrong in both of the previous LANs. So their drafts, while fine in isolation, don't seem ready for the team they're playing against. Though if they had better execution, they can win with them. Think the opposite problem that EG had with Aui has carry. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
And my point about the banning/preparation was very on-point, it turns out. They seem prepared, which let's them actually use their strong players. | ||
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Xendarii
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On August 06 2016 15:01 Xendarii wrote: Wow! I missed both matches tonight because I'm in Europe and was sleeping, but their results are REALLY impressive, especially given their mediocre performances in recent tournaments. I'm very happy for them, hopefully they can continue their run! Don't sugar coat the run-up-to-TI tournaments. They bombed out and looked completely lost in their drafting, losing pretty much every laning stage for 3 tournaments in a row. They had completely correctable issues, seeing they have a mechanically skilled roster, but I think they're the first team in a while to actually correct that issue when it mattered. (Fnatic & MVP.P @ Shanghai come to mind, as well.) I'm most happy for Sunsfan, though. The guy has done a lot for the scene and the sudden Western Shuffle nearly left him without a team. Now he has a team that's assured top 9-12 @ TI. That's better than he could have hoped for the day the team blew up. As for the team, I'm happy that they got most of their drafting issues fixed. The flailing for 2 months was rough to watch. | ||
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Anamorph
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DC got a good chance agains TNC I think. | ||
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LemOn
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DucK-
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On August 10 2016 16:34 LemOn wrote: I'd say TNC is the favourite in the series, but by no means a big one TNC looked strong against OG, I liked their movements on the map, very uncommon demon style. I really hope DC will be able to place top6, their drafting now looks pretty solid, I could only critize the last one against Wings where they picked 2 slow heroes (invoker AND morph) to handle early game push (chen..). I think they should have gone for a different approach in terms of countering their early and mid, after the 4th pick chen there was still a core slot available to draft. | ||
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Xendarii
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wims80
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team! | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On August 11 2016 01:21 DucK- wrote: He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team! Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year. I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL. I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad. SUNSfan deserves a top team, dammit. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On August 11 2016 01:45 a_flayer wrote: Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year. I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL. I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad. Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On August 11 2016 01:48 DucK- wrote: Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition. Did 5Jungz or OG really look like a top tier team in the first few months of their forming? I think these guys can build on something, but clearly I am incredibly biased towards them. I wonder if Moo's mum is single... | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
In DC's case the way they've shown up to TI compared to their last few tournament showings is pretty encouraging for them. I doubt any of them is looking to blow the team up, but if something happens in OG, TL, EG or whatever, who knows. And well let's see how far they can go themselves still lol | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
On August 11 2016 01:45 a_flayer wrote: Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year. I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL. I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad. SUNSfan deserves a top team, dammit. SUNSfan deserves a top team, dammit. you. i like you. | ||
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