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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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LightTemplar
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cuckoo
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Isn't Yawar's flag wrong? | ||
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opterown
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Germany3509 Posts
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Stevied
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Beirut
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Supamang
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TheEmulator
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Bisu-Fan
Russian Federation3329 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
NA just needs a couple more good teams. | ||
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TheEmulator
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Beirut
United States673 Posts
Will Biryu be in the drafting seat? | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On August 26 2015 08:04 Beirut wrote: I would like for this team to be good, just to make watching NA tournaments exciting again. Will Biryu be in the drafting seat? Yes Biryu will be drafting. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
On August 26 2015 08:01 TheEmulator wrote: The flair should be ready soon for this unless R1CH went to sleep. Then it will be in the morning I think. Hype for that, thanks guys. | ||
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Mortecian
Canada87 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
....Yawar - Mid TC - Carry Bulba - offlane Aui #4 + byiru #5 suppot ? | ||
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SQWKZ
Finland720 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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TheEmulator
28084 Posts
R1CH must have been busy or away today, sorry guys. He has the finished flair in skype and email so whenever he sees it he can hit a few buttons and we will be good to go  | ||
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7032 Posts
On August 27 2015 15:08 TheEmulator wrote: R1CH must have been busy or away today, sorry guys. He has the finished flair in skype and email so whenever he sees it he can hit a few buttons and we will be good to go Digital Chaos team flair is now available  | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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trollcenter
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
There was no extended period when TC played offlane iirc. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
Updated OP with next game. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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Stevied
United States46 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
Game 2 felt wonky in terms of draft, lina/bounty suggests pickoffs and razor/undying more sustained fights. There was a bit of adaptation on show though which is promising. Hopefully game 3 is better. Game 3 Root pull out a lifestealer, bulba's clock and AUI's farm steamroll the game backed up by a TC gyro and lina (which yawar played every game of the series). The game was never really close with bulba getting far more out of the lane than seemed reasonable and transitioning into a nightmare for Monkey's Shadow Fiend. The series as a whole didn't display too much dominance but it felt like the overall gameplay from DC was outright stronger than Root. Next game is the winner of Sector V vs Void Boys, which I feel are both weaker teams than Root. Hopefully the performance is a little more convincing but I'm hopeful. Player of the series goes to AUI for me. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
Then bulba clock in the next game. Good stuff. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
On September 08 2015 08:05 LightTemplar wrote: Game 1 was a win, not super impressive but they looked overall stronger and didn't really seem close to losing. Game 2 felt wonky in terms of draft, lina/bounty suggests pickoffs and razor/undying more sustained fights. There was a bit of adaptation on show though which is promising. Hopefully game 3 is better. Game 3 Root pull out a lifestealer, bulba's clock and AUI's farm steamroll the game backed up by a TC gyro and lina (which yawar played every game of the series). The game was never really close with bulba getting far more out of the lane than seemed reasonable and transitioning into a nightmare for Monkey's Shadow Fiend. The series as a whole didn't display too much dominance but it felt like the overall gameplay from DC was outright stronger than Root. Next game is the winner of Sector V vs Void Boys, which I feel are both weaker teams than Root. Hopefully the performance is a little more convincing but I'm hopeful. Player of the series goes to AUI for me. I think it's a very good sign for them, considering how new they are. If they can beat Root, which are what... A top 5-8 NA team, it's looking good for the future. That Aui silence during the Dive into Mystic Flare was super sweet. | ||
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TheEmulator
28084 Posts
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Pomza
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
On September 08 2015 10:41 TheEmulator wrote: I think it's important to note they have only practiced for 2 days so far. Why only 2 days tho? They been official for 2 weeks or so. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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The Binary Son
United States207 Posts
... Yes, I'm a filthy casual who's just seeing this now. | ||
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Stevied
United States46 Posts
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7032 Posts
hopefully DC manage to qualify to ESL or Nanyang so we can see how they do vs properly good teams | ||
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ASoo
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
I wonder if Biryu playing the same hero for all games of a series is going to be a thing. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
What are they missing? | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
On September 13 2015 11:16 a_flayer wrote: Is it just me or is DC not performing as well as they should? I've only been following them casually, but the games I've watched they seem to lose a lot more than I would expect them. What are they missing? Maybe because they ain't actually THAT good in the first place? | ||
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spudde123
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tehh4ck3r
Magrathea7032 Posts
Teams that get trashed now could be great on the next patch and vice versa | ||
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Blackspikes
United States51 Posts
On September 13 2015 16:48 spudde123 wrote: Just wait a bit and see how teams develop. Some people are drooling over the new c9 when they've played paiN gaming twice, Union Gaming once and DC once. Others are putting DC down because of how they have been struggling against some teams. Obviously the first thing for teams like DC and c9 is to qualify to LANs. c9's good wins this far mean very little if they don't beat DC in the finals of the qualifier for example. And if they don't qualify to LANs, then we see whether the team can actually work in any way and continue to practice and improve, or if they are just doomed and will be mediocre until the major when they can finally make roster changes. Well, c9 rekt them again in the finals. They will meet again tomorrow in the esl qual. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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ref4
2933 Posts
On September 14 2015 12:20 a_flayer wrote: So are the drafts not good enough, it is lack of team coordination? I find it hard to believe their players aren't skilled enough, but I could just be biased I guess XD the 3rd game was a bit of a tilt draft from aui | ||
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pellejohnson
United States1931 Posts
On September 14 2015 12:20 a_flayer wrote: So are the drafts not good enough, it is lack of team coordination? I find it hard to believe their players aren't skilled enough, but I could just be biased I guess XD You are probably biased. I mean the fact that they have TC and Bulba on the team should already be a good indicator on what the overall skill level will be | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
Also games last night were kind of tough to watch, yawar had one good game but it just felt like nobody else on DC made a big impact in any of the games :/ | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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aboxcar
United States447 Posts
is biryu still in europe? if he is, a lot of mistakes like ES fissuring the wrong side are easy to see happening b/c of ping | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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Thermia
United States866 Posts
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
IMO, their main problem is drafting. C9 outdrafted them all 3 games yesterday, and I don't know what circumstances prompted Aui to take over drafting for game 3, but I'm sure it wasn't good. Considering what PPD has said about Aui's personality during matches, I'm a little worried about their team cohesion. | ||
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TRAP[yoo]
Hungary6026 Posts
On September 15 2015 02:13 aboxcar wrote: you guys just expected too much when there was no reason to. they're doing relatively well and meeting normal expectations. is biryu still in europe? if he is, a lot of mistakes like ES fissuring the wrong side are easy to see happening b/c of ping gotta agree with this. the team is still new and they are playing fine right now | ||
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Stevied
United States46 Posts
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CrazyBirdman
Germany3509 Posts
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Sn0_Man
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
Also yeh NY is probably a much better qualifier to get to be honest. Its local and the prizepool is bigger, although its single elim which is pretty rough. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On September 15 2015 07:39 Sn0_Man wrote: Well, I'd rather they go to NY than to MY tbh SG = MY okay typical na geography | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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chairs
Singapore120 Posts
On September 15 2015 08:14 Sn0_Man wrote: okay sg same thing applies off topic but its very different actually haha. think they played better against c9 today, so hopefully they continue to improve and get better! | ||
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goody153
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http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/Interview_with_BuLba + Show Spoiler [origin of DC from the interview] + Yes, it took all of us by surprise, too. It was unexpected to say the least. Anyway, it is really good to see you back in action as a player with Digital Chaos. Speaking of which, tell us more on how DC come into existence in the first place? The team was also unexpected. After TI I had some ideas to play with some NA players/friends. However, when Aui got kicked, he approached me and asked me what was going on. I told him some ideas I had and he was down to try them out. Biryu and Yawar were people I originally wanted to play with and TC was a player I also think is very good. I wanted a team that wanted to improve and learn and wouldnt have egos to screw it over. Tell us something about Yawar and Biryu since you've mentioned them. As far as I know, Yawar is also Sumail's brother but beyond that I am blank and about Biryu, I am even more blank. Could you tell us something about these two newcomers? Biryu was recommended by Artour (Arteezy) and EE (Canada EternalEnvy). I played a few games with him and talked to him and he seemed really hungry to win and he seemed very motivated. He's a very fun guy to talk to as well. He's a new player and he wants to learn. Yawar is Yawar - really cocky, plays a lot. He is also new to the scene and he is also very easy to talk to. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
On September 14 2015 19:21 pellejohnson wrote: You are probably biased. I mean the fact that they have TC and Bulba on the team should already be a good indicator on what the overall skill level will be This 'ppd' guy seems to disagree with you. I'm just not sure who to believe.. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Stevied
United States46 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On September 16 2015 03:46 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: o wow bulba was the one who wanted to play with biryu as per ee and rtz's rec, not aui interesting its impossible to tell from the answer whether it was just him or also other ppl on the team | ||
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xXxUnseenxXx
United States230 Posts
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
On September 17 2015 12:10 xXxUnseenxXx wrote: Look guys, I am a huge fan of this team but can we please qualify for something where other T1 teams are at? Plus people forget that Americas are much better than previous years. SEA and Europe are the weakest regions right now. Anyways DC looked decent just the nature of this patch is drafting and they arent doing a very good job at it. Give the team some time, however do not be upset if TC is the first to go. Hands down worse player on the team Yeah I don't understand how people keep saying tc is the worst when biryu keeps getting gifted easy supports and shits the bed consistently, even on wins. Get off the reddit koolaid, folks. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On September 17 2015 12:17 Krishan.bif wrote: Yeah I don't understand how people keep saying tc is the worst when biryu keeps getting gifted easy supports and shits the bed consistently, even on wins. Get off the reddit koolaid, folks. i havent seen a single redditor actually praising biryu i actually havent seen anyone praising biryu for his performance | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On September 17 2015 12:10 xXxUnseenxXx wrote: Look guys, I am a huge fan of this team but can we please qualify for something where other T1 teams are at? Plus people forget that Americas are much better than previous years. SEA and Europe are the weakest regions right now. Anyways DC looked decent just the nature of this patch is drafting and they arent doing a very good job at it. Give the team some time, however do not be upset if TC is the first to go. Hands down worse player on the team nah, not really | ||
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Drearcerberus
United States21 Posts
Also, that last pick BS completely caught them off guard. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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MirageTaN
Singapore871 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On September 17 2015 23:30 MirageTaN wrote: I think this team needs to restructure themselves rest for a few weeks and then play again because their morale is starting to go down since the stomping they received from C9(0-7) ouch. they went 2-5 since they actually beat c9 in esl but okay | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
On September 18 2015 01:35 Elyvilon wrote: they went 2-5 since they actually beat c9 in esl but okay still not what you want to be considering the lop-sided power distribution of NA doto (EG = 90%, everyone else make up the remaining 10%) and DC still hasn't played EG yet. that and the Aui's bold statement that they're easily be 2nd in NA after EG when now they are losing to Fire, C9 etc. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
On September 17 2015 23:30 MirageTaN wrote: I think this team needs to restructure themselves rest for a few weeks and then play again because their morale is starting to go down since the stomping they received from C9(0-7) ouch. It was 2-5, I even put past results in the OP | ||
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goody153
44065 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:51 ref4 wrote: still not what you want to be considering the lop-sided power distribution of NA doto (EG = 90%, everyone else make up the remaining 10%) and DC still hasn't played EG yet. that and the Aui's bold statement that they're easily be 2nd in NA after EG when now they are losing to Fire, C9 etc. aui is no doubt top tier 4 player but i don't think aui has ever been the the type that would lead a team like fng/rotk/ppd/xiao8/puppey/ee/jerax/etc players like that although there's bulba on their team but lets see if he picks up his game hopefully they don't disband for a long time and not suck too much at least so that it's not just c9 potentially threatening eg in NA .. and also so that i get to throw "DisConnect" puns when all those pause gaming happens | ||
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
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villainzilla
Philippines192 Posts
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On September 17 2015 23:31 rabidch wrote: DC lacks a head, biryu is not it, at least not now. In that case, they really need to get head. Seems like lack of experience in that area is their biggest cause of upset. | ||
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ASoo
2864 Posts
On September 19 2015 15:53 trollcenter wrote: In that case, they really need to get head. Seems like lack of experience in that area is their biggest cause of upset. Great post. | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
On September 18 2015 05:51 ref4 wrote: still not what you want to be considering the lop-sided power distribution of NA doto (EG = 90%, everyone else make up the remaining 10%) and DC still hasn't played EG yet. that and the Aui's bold statement that they're easily be 2nd in NA after EG when now they are losing to Fire, C9 etc. The NA scene is better than you are giving it credit for. | ||
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xXxUnseenxXx
United States230 Posts
On September 20 2015 06:34 Yamulo wrote: The NA scene is better than you are giving it credit for. And a brand new team lost to two teams that have been together for some time. Like one series against FIRE and two against a C9 team that looks unstoppable right now.... | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
Is DC bootcamping? Where? Anyone got deets? | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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Blackspikes
United States51 Posts
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reDicE
United States1020 Posts
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Stevied
United States46 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On October 14 2015 12:58 reDicE wrote: Why do teams with Bulba in them always just implode. "Why do teams that have this one player captaining and drafting for them always just implode." This sounds like a trick question. | ||
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reDicE
United States1020 Posts
On October 14 2015 13:08 WolfintheSheep wrote: "Why do teams that have this one player captaining and drafting for them always just implode." This sounds like a trick question. Isn't Aui captaining and drafting for DC? | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
TC threw. | ||
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
Biryu 100% Tc 90% Yawar 50% Aui 10% Bulba hell no I've been a tc fan for a long time, but that series had me screaming at my fuckin phone. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they straight up disband even before ts4 quals. God this team is so exasperating. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On October 14 2015 12:58 reDicE wrote: Why do teams with Bulba in them always just implode. if you say it like that it almost sounds apparent that he's sucks | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On October 14 2015 15:01 Vertical wrote: if you say it like that it almost sounds apparent that he's sucks and yet if you watch bulba he's god. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 14 2015 12:58 reDicE wrote: Why do teams with Bulba in them always just implode. TI4 liquid did not implode (they had already imploded months before) | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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TheEmulator
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Terrorbladder
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On October 14 2015 18:27 Terrorbladder wrote: Having a star-studded team get overhyped then flop out early of a big tournament must be a NA tradition. I wouldn't call this team "star studded"... | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On October 14 2015 18:27 Terrorbladder wrote: Having a star-studded team get overhyped then flop out early of a big tournament must be a NA tradition. >Liquid aka 5jungz >about the same amount of stars as DC >flops wow. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On October 14 2015 18:32 Shaella wrote: >Liquid aka 5jungz >about the same amount of stars as DC >flops wow. ur so mad and bitter u turned into a medusa? #immersivelore | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Interesting to see what will happen to the team. I can't say that I'm too hopeful about the team just staying the same and slowly improving. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
That TA really destroyed though. It was impressive. | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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cuckoo
595 Posts
Probably replacing TC and Biryu (although I don't even think TC is bad, he's underrated imo) and i know biryu is an european, but still | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
On October 14 2015 21:16 AwfuL_ wrote: I've only watched recaps but what was TC supposed to do in game 2 with Luna? Like every teamfight i saw had a BKB LC and a TA with aegis blink initiating on him while a BKB gyro was killing his team, A Luna can't stand up to that. Yet he's the one that has to be in front to bait the initiation because if DS or Veno or Qop gets forced into a Duel by LC they lose the teamfight 100%. Their was basically no other way for DC to take teamfights unless they got a pickoff with Qop Orchid/Hex. Yeh honestly I thought TC played fine that series. I dont think anybody on DC played terribly. The strategical desicions and game plans were more the problem imo. | ||
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Forgottenfrog
United States1268 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
In 2013 that was enough to be at the top of NA. 2015 and onward, not so much. | ||
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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Blackspikes
United States51 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 15 2015 01:21 SFDuality wrote: Bulba played well throughout the qualifiers. TC made some mistakes, but people are acting like the losses are all because of him, which isn't true. Yawar played great one game and awful the next. Aui... was Aui. He did Aui things, both good and bad. Biryu, though... I don't recall a single game where Biryu had any sort of impact. Sure, part of that is his position and farm, but he also makes a lot of mechanical mistakes a professional player absolutely should not make. I don't know exactly what he brings to the table for DC, but I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in thinking the team would be better off without him. surprised only one guy mentioned aui, who made some extremely bad decisions in game 2. his ultimate was everything for DC to win a teamfight, every teamfight they won involved poison novas hititng 3 or more people and every teamfight they lost involved poison nova hitting maybe one person or nobody at all. i didnt understand why he didnt get a blink dagger despite sitting on 15k+ networth | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
this is a team you'd like to see succeeding before disbanding but so far they're getting pretty heavily outstrategized and outplayed by many [other] top level teams. | ||
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
On October 15 2015 21:09 rabidch wrote: surprised only one guy mentioned aui, who made some extremely bad decisions in game 2. his ultimate was everything for DC to win a teamfight, every teamfight they won involved poison novas hititng 3 or more people and every teamfight they lost involved poison nova hitting maybe one person or nobody at all. i didnt understand why he didnt get a blink dagger despite sitting on 15k+ networth Bkb. Actually, their entire lineup that game was countered by bkbs. Their drafting, among other things, has been shit. Especially that one game against c9 where they drafted carry (???) furion against ns/ember, with nyx still in the pool. That was really dumb. | ||
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giftdgecko
United States2126 Posts
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spudde123
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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
they gotta kick TC. But holy crap, when Yawar is on he is just godmode | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 15 2015 23:19 Krishan.bif wrote: Bkb. Actually, their entire lineup that game was countered by bkbs. Their drafting, among other things, has been shit. Especially that one game against c9 where they drafted carry (???) furion against ns/ember, with nyx still in the pool. That was really dumb. low duration bkbs only mitigate some damage (5 seconds of 110 magic damage) of poison nova, it doesnt do anything to the poison nova buff itself, meaning they will still end up taking 11 seconds of 110 magic damage. for an aoe spell that can hit the entire enemy team that is huge. aui did realize that he needed blink dagger but he bought it way too late, after they had lost several teamfights and right before the end of the game | ||
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
Also yawar can't go so he's being replaced by ush? I haven't been big on him, so I don't know how I feel about this. Cautiously optimistic, I guess. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On October 22 2015 19:21 DucK- wrote: If the full roster of c9 can't go, I don't see why you should replace with 4/5 roster of DC. Might as well get a stand in for c9. Mercenary demon or something. Probably c9 just doesn't want to go. 1437 is their captain and only top6 get payed at the event so they are far from guaranteed to get any prize money. Also they are playing in the major, Nanyang is a pretty long tournament so using all that time playing with a standin may not be beneficial. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11446 Posts
On October 22 2015 20:20 spudde123 wrote: Probably c9 just doesn't want to go. 1437 is their captain and only top6 get payed at the event so they are far from guaranteed to get any prize money. Also they are playing in the major, Nanyang is a pretty long tournament so using all that time playing with a standin may not be beneficial. Makes sense then | ||
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On October 27 2015 22:35 Krishan.bif wrote: Damn all the live games I watched they lost, while the ones I missed they won. I'm honestly starting to believe I'm jinxing them. No streams for me for the rest of the tourney, I guess. That was my exact relationship with Fnatics old lineup. | ||
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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AwfuL_
Netherlands6976 Posts
But at least you didn't come last like C9. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
On October 29 2015 00:06 Shaella wrote: to DC's credit, they looked better here then they have in the past, if they clean up their play they could actually win games like that. do u think they need to clean up their roster too, starting with a certain lord of the abyss of suffering?? | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On October 29 2015 00:12 ahswtini wrote: do u think they need to clean up their roster too, starting with a certain lord of the abyss of suffering?? yeah tc is pretty much the weakest player on the team imo | ||
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Krishan.bif
Philippines491 Posts
On October 29 2015 02:36 Shaella wrote: yeah tc is pretty much the weakest player on the team imo You seem to keep forgetting that biryu is still on this team. | ||
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
FIRST LAN QUALIFY. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
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On October 29 2015 23:45 Krishan.bif wrote: You seem to keep forgetting that biryu is still on this team. Called it | ||
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In Teamliquid the team is in the Group Stage as a wild card http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/World_Cyber_Arena/2015#Group_Stage Yet in the official WCA site they put C9 in the group (but C9 disbanded).... http://www.wca.com.cn/sshd/saishi/sjzjs/zjs_games/gks_dota2676/sjzjs_hdyg_685/2015/1120/5861.html | ||
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On December 09 2015 05:54 LightTemplar wrote: They even have the Top Canadian. What could go wrong. Top Canadians over Arteezy and Envy? | ||
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On December 12 2015 07:08 The Binary Son wrote: why didn't dc and ehome switch sides that game?? teams have the choice of either who gets to pick first/second or who plays on dire/radiant; the other choice falls to the other team, so its possible to have the same sides for all 3 games if one team prioritzies choosing pick order and the other team prioritizes choosing sides | ||
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. Still feels like DC played pretty damn well and they should be pretty strong if they keep up that form. Seems like NA dota as a whole is pretty strong as a region atm, i feel its a shame they usually only get one slot to LANs. | ||
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lolnoty
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On December 12 2015 11:37 Kabras wrote: they need a good mid player and the team will be a lot stronger, yawar is holding them back a lot. i've even seen improvement from TC lol, haven't seen that in like 2 years at least. replacing biryu worked, if they can get a tier 1 mid player they will make it past the dumpster placement in every tournament they go to. I think yawar is fine, they just need more decision making and team play experience. You'll get to test your theory with rtz standing in for them though, who I assume will take Mid. | ||
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On December 12 2015 15:46 DucK- wrote: Haven't seen yawar play that much. How good is he? Is he like kolo toure, in that you're decently good, but nowhere near the colossal beast that is your younger brother (yaya toure)? More in lines of Johan/Jordi Cruyff kind of thing | ||
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On December 14 2015 18:45 Hai1Fyre wrote: Apparently Arteezy is going to China as a standin for DC. Any idea who he is standing in for? yawar | ||
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On December 15 2015 01:44 tehh4ck3r wrote: with arteezy playing they have a pretty good shot at making it out of groups, especially since DC's group is one of the weaker ones Indeed(another gsl group stages format), i think the only threat on that group is Team Liquid. Alliance is so-so. While the last time they faced each other DC lost they have a proven midplayer this tournament. Depends on how DC will play around artour and how good alliances synergy is. I don't trust mvp though they could upset | ||
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Anyway, I think that they have a legitimate chance to do well here with RTZ. They actually looked quite strong at the summit losing to good teams in close series. Note that neither team that beat them @ the summit will even be at WCA. Okay maybe i'm deluded but rtz is a clear upgrade from yawar and even with standin synergy problems I think they should do pretty well. | ||
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On December 17 2015 06:54 Stevied wrote: Well we'll have to see if Bulba/1437/aui can figure out what's good in the new patch in the next couple hours. First tourney on the new patch hype! Never realized almost all the "captains" in NA are on one team lol | ||
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On December 17 2015 20:03 LightTemplar wrote: DC please put together two consecutive wins one time vs mvp T_T if they did and assuming alliance gets 1-1 or get 2-0'd by liquid they get out of the group top 2, right ? | ||
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Gaial
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Failing to qualify for a few tournaments combined with finishing dead last on the tournaments you do qualify for has to be taking their toll on them. Also worrisome that this is the 2nd LAN in as many months that Yawar couldn't attend. | ||
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Starting work is hard. Finding VODs is harder. | ||
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Germany3509 Posts
On January 07 2016 03:53 LightTemplar wrote: i missed a game, i am not a real fan how did this happen. T_T Starting work is hard. Finding VODs is harder. If you are still searching. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLlIcId4DspFjDYeyyncQpg/videos Dotapit is always really good about uploading their VODs. | ||
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Ireland481 Posts
1-1 so bad in this format, why you do this DC Also Archon and DC in the same group, my heart it breaks. Guess if everybody goes 1-1 its fine? | ||
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On January 08 2016 11:49 Stevied wrote: It's looking like CoL and Shazam will be the ones out of the other group and in a Bo3 they shouldn't be too threatening. Unless Shazam gets in their heads lol. or in their scrims HEYOOO | ||
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Stevied
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All i wonder is when will they start banning tusk. | ||
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This support Kunkka is ownage btw. That hero's abilities got buffed like 10 times in a row. | ||
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United States46 Posts
Edit: According to the twitter, they play a Bo1 tomorrow to see who they face. They'll probably have to beat both of them to qualify though so it shouldn't make too much of a difference. | ||
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All i wonder is when will they start banning tusk. Well they got closer this qualifier than the last one I guess. I don't know that they have to change anything in the near future but it seems like something isn't working. | ||
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Though last game DC just gave up even though they still had a good chance of winning. | ||
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Aui is still sick though. | ||
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United Kingdom8629 Posts
can they get better players? Aui deserves better than this! | ||
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United States1606 Posts
On January 11 2016 15:25 Shaella wrote: Yawar isn't bad he just chokes so fucking hard. Good players don't choke. 1437 is shit, always has been. No idea how he keeps getting into teams. TCs performance on a surface level gave me much more confidence in him as a player though. | ||
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Honestly, I don't think any kneejerk roster changes are necessary at all, but if you're going to replace someone, don't switch out the one player on your team that doesn't go on tilt every game. And Mason is such an immature jackass. I don't see how it makes any sense to sign a player who has taken every opportunity to flame your team, and actively participated in a childish attempt at sabotaging you. | ||
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Australia655 Posts
On January 20 2016 06:49 SFDuality wrote: Replacing TC with Mason is a move I really can't agree with at all. TC has always been consistent, unlike Yawar, and he's been improving over the last few weeks as well. Honestly, I don't think any kneejerk roster changes are necessary at all, but if you're going to replace someone, don't switch out the one player on your team that doesn't go on tilt every game. And Mason is such an immature jackass. I don't see how it makes any sense to sign a player who has taken every opportunity to flame your team, and actively participated in a childish attempt at sabotaging you. Sometimes you just gotta forgive people for bad stuff yo'. Grudges suck, really. Having said that - we have no idea the reasons for the (potential?) replacement - maybe TC was sulking in game (who knows?) , maybe his communication was bad. BIG SHRUG | ||
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If TC gets kicked or leaves im done with this team anyways, I really like aui and Bulba but it's not enough to offset having mason on the team. | ||
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All we know is that this Tryout Campaign might end up with him having to Team Change or Trying to Comeback. I have Total Confidence that he wants Team Cohesion and will accept the Team's Captain decision. Take Care, TC. | ||
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United States14827 Posts
Please god no Not Qojqva again from one disappointment midplay to another one save me | ||
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Ireland481 Posts
On January 20 2016 22:16 Jotoco wrote: Terrific Canadian might be a Terrible Carry, a Trouble Colleague or even a Tactical Compromise. We don't know that. All we know is that this Tryout Campaign might end up with him having to Team Change or Trying to Comeback. I have Total Confidence that he wants Team Cohesion and will accept the Team's Captain decision. Take Care, TC. Hes a Top Canadian and a Teriffic Chef that cooks Tasty Chicken, hope he remains on a good team. | ||
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Southlight
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I'd imagine this affects a guy like yawar, who if you believe ppd/EG, has a similar playstyle to Sumail, even if he just isn't quite at the same level (no shame not being arguably top 3 world). That doesn't mean yawar is bad, but yawar probably is comfortable on space-creating hungry heroes like TA, picks who need jungle stacks and support assistance to stabilize and/or come back via gold. It's telling in that OD game that there were no stacks made for him. None! Thar practically never happens to Sumail, who if he falls behind because supports weren't there to help, you know the supports are "making up for it" by stacking camps so that he can catch back up. No, the DC supports were busy babysitting TC and/or trying to create space for TC, and that just doesn't work especially when TC isn't a playmaker like EE who'll get money on a hero and then attempt (without fear of failure) brilliant plays to swing a game around. When's the last time you saw TC dangerously pushing a tower alone to try to force rotations? No, TC is usually the guy where if the other team goes missing he hides in his own jungle with three people with him, starving his entire team out. He'll look great with all that farm and it'll look like the rest of his team simply didn't play up to snuff, but he just never seems to bring enough to the table to really "carry" the team on his back. Hence, a gold-sponge. | ||
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Also, have they officially dropped TC? That's possibly their most consistent performer for most of these tourneys | ||
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On January 22 2016 04:49 giftdgecko wrote: At what point do you have to come to terms with the fact Yawar isn't ready to compete yet? Also, have they officially dropped TC? That's possibly their most consistent performer for most of these tourneys >TC >consistent if by consistent you mean consistently bad. Also what games were you watching that Bulba wasn't the most consistently good player on the team. Both him and Yawar just can't hack it. | ||
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If Aui and Bulba get some European teammates that might work for them. | ||
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Probably Qojqva | ||
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sickoota
Canada918 Posts
its pretty funny watching them try out standins and look 100% indistinguishable from their normal play, its almost like they have a game understanding problem not a player problem... | ||
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Sn0_Man
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this sniper pick isn't working out lol. cancel is no elffrenzy I guess | ||
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Sn0_Man
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cancel is playing sometime I should ask kurtis wtf's going on with their roster | ||
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Germany1392 Posts
empire.gg | ||
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Germany3509 Posts
So Empire says he is replacing Yawar, anyone knows if this is correct? Because lately TC hasn't been playing and Yawar was playing carry. | ||
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spudde123
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But yea, idk exactly why Resolution is leaving. He has a much better chance of getting to the LAN finals in a lot of tournaments in DC though, but idk if he has a better chance to actually finish well in those tournaments. But playing in an English speaking team may help him out in the future, I wouldn't be surprised to see Resolution in top tier western teams in the future if that is the direction he wants to go to. | ||
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France2522 Posts
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
On February 04 2016 20:55 DucK- wrote: No idea why resolution left Empire :O Can't carry Xboct + Funnik ? | ||
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bluzi
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On February 04 2016 20:55 DucK- wrote: No idea why resolution left Empire :O Moving to the US (are they playing from the US or Canda ?) is an amazing experience all by it self and they probably pay better as well. | ||
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Kometijanac
Serbia98 Posts
I just don't know in which direction scene is going to move, how much money in going to come into teams and Dota 2 scene in general. On the side note, i think Resolution played extremely well in Captain's draft qualifiers today, looking forward to see this team play in future | ||
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And not to mention that career wise playing in an English speaking team may be a smart move. If he becomes fluent in English (not sure exactly how good his English is) and sort of becomes part of the scene, he can easily jump to other English speaking teams in the future even if DC were to not do so great. | ||
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Germany3509 Posts
On February 05 2016 07:25 the bear jew wrote: Congrats to DC on your very first, I believe, qualifier win. You get to be the first option for a change! They won the qualifier for The Summit but it is the first qualifier victory with 1437. And with the victory over Infamous they pretty much have the qualification for WePlay secured. | ||
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Singapore11446 Posts
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Hai1Fyre
South Africa270 Posts
As absurd as this transfer is, I rather like it | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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i feel like the 4pos that consumes space and contributes to lategame by being overfarmed has devalued in comparison to 4pos who get (previously less) farmed by making effective rotations all the time, so aui's relative strength as a 4 has decreased | ||
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The Binary Son
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RIP Digital Chaos? | ||
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goody153
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Canada4306 Posts
On March 24 2016 13:07 TomatoBisque wrote: Digital Cdisbanded disbanded chaos? | ||
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Canada99 Posts
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On March 25 2016 12:08 brinepumps wrote: W33 stack with Reso, Moo, Saksa, Misery surely worth a shot, Sunsfan. I think they're DC. Rumors are they are moving to NA to do a Team Tinker and compete in NA quals. Hopefully with more success than Team Tinker. | ||
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nanaoei
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On March 24 2016 13:43 Cybuster wrote: Sunsfan paid $4k * 5 players * 6 months = $120k salaries in return with little prize money. Is he really a rich guy or his studio has sufficient sponsors/ads to offset this investment? https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/dotacinema 1.7k - 20k monthly i mean for sure it helps that dotacinema had been a really good source of revenue. moonduck from what i've seen has only been contracted to cast different qualifiers. of course, it's the talent that counts and it's more of an agency from what i gather. going into the successfulness of somebody is surely a little on the private side and all conjecture. i'm sure he's fine, and didn't need to take a large loan that he won't be able to pay for. DC and its timeline was just unfortunate. | ||
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Evander Berry Wall
United States1137 Posts
On March 26 2016 03:27 lolnoty wrote: I think they're DC. Rumors are they are moving to NA to do a Team Tinker and compete in NA quals. Hopefully with more success than Team Tinker. That's even less American than Team Tinker was. | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
On March 26 2016 05:47 Evander Berry Wall wrote: That's even less American than Team Tinker was. I don't know if Valve has ever clarified what makes a team regional or if it matters. IE if a NA team could play in CN qualifiers and just accept 500 ping. Or if they insist on region locking to help develop scenes, and what defines them as regional. It's getting weird with Team Secret who likely will have 3 members living in NA competing in EU. High comedy will happen when Secret requests USE hosted game because it'll be better ping for their 3 cores. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
This actually made a whole lot of sense if it goes through. Somehow, after having his team disband, he's suddenly end up with a T1 roster anyway. Sometimes, just being the guy with Money can make things happen for you. | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
On March 26 2016 03:27 lolnoty wrote: I think they're DC. Rumors are they are moving to NA to do a Team Tinker and compete in NA quals. Hopefully with more success than Team Tinker. Man I hope this is true. I don't see them winning Ti, but overall better than the last roster. Might have to change my flair soon hehe. And also, if this is true, somehow Yawar got the worst end with no team. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On March 26 2016 09:59 brinepumps wrote: Man I hope this is true. I don't see them winning Ti, but overall better than the last roster. Might have to change my flair soon hehe. And also, if this is true, somehow Yawar got the worst end with no team. Wasn't Yawar pretty much out already, even before the poaching happened? Archon having their best day and DC have a pretty off day kind of sunk the team. Though it's probably better that every Major causes something of a reformation in the lower tiers. | ||
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
Date Time Player Team Roster Status 2016-03-25 23:48:56 PDT Resolut1on (Roman Fominok) Digital Chaos (ID: 2512249) Primary | ||
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Xendarii
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On March 26 2016 16:46 bluzi wrote: Hope they do well , so many teams to root for after this shuffle ,..... i guess unless secert wins i will be happy with most results , JUST DONT LET THEM WIN!!!!! Word! | ||
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GGman
Czech Republic143 Posts
2016-03-26 06:48:52 PDT w33 (Aliwi Omar) Digital Chaos (ID: 2512249) | ||
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South Africa270 Posts
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the bear jew
United States3674 Posts
On April 17 2016 09:28 Xendarii wrote: That was incredibly disappointing... best of luck at the next tournament. | ||
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blobrus
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On April 17 2016 09:28 Xendarii wrote: That was incredibly disappointing... Eh it's not that surprising. Super new team without a real history of playing together. It's realistic to expect immediate success out of new EG and Secret because the players all mostly have a history with each other. This team certainly has the talent to become a top team but it'll take time to come together. | ||
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Xendarii
327 Posts
On April 17 2016 16:08 DucK- wrote: Are they playing together though? Or is w33 misery saksa playing from eu It's possible that some of them played from EU, but afaik they all will move to the US to live in the DC teamhouse. | ||
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Ireland481 Posts
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
BTW, w33 is still the mid and Resolut1on is the carry now form all the recent matches. | ||
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nanaoei
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his stream sometimes shows his chat in his hometown that would indicate otherwise... not sure what the deal was with that if there is one, but definitely he's stated along with the other teammates they'd live and play from the states. he also tweets about american stuff lol. | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
On May 27 2016 04:42 Xendarii wrote: In 1 1/2 hours we'll finally play a T1/T2 team. I'm very curious if they can beat coL. I like both of these teams a lot, and they both have some pretty cool players that I want to see sit on the couch and casually cast the game going on at that moment. I don't know if they're still doing the redemption invite, but I hope the loser of this match gets it if they do. | ||
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
1) July 6-10 @Shanghai for Nanyang 2) July 13-17 @LA for The Summit 5 3) Potential SI July 21-24 @US (Qualifier ongoing) That's some clustered events. Glad that they wanted to play more competitive matches so they can practice before the Manila Major. | ||
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On May 28 2016 09:06 DucK- wrote: Who drafts for DC? Misery afaik. | ||
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the bear jew
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On May 28 2016 16:32 spudde123 wrote: Them doing well isn't surprising imo, I found their lineup very promising just player wise right when it was announced. The question mark was how their drafting was going to be, and obviously we still have to wait and see how it goes in the major against multiple top teams, but this far I've really liked their drafts for the most part. Hard to accurately place them due to the lack of LANs this far, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were even in the top6 or so. It is. Just cause you have a good collection of players doesn't mean you automatically get good results, like new iteration of Secret, really good players, aren't playing well. That said, DC really are coming together well. | ||
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On May 29 2016 06:13 FuzzyJAM wrote: DC are looking pretty good but they haven't had a real test yet. The whole scene is hard to judge right now, but other than Col nobody they've played has ever been a top team, and Col have not impressed lately either. I would argue that Col impressed at Epicenter... Even the games they lost vrs NB had some positive sides. | ||
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They proved themselves to be a threat today. | ||
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I am also not sure about the drafts, it feels like misery went to the new meta drafts with timber etc., but they have not trained this before. timber and w33 not working that good. the quali they played before showed up a lot better drafts with stuff like ld mid etc. They should find their own style instead of copying other teams... and this kunkka pick.. well... | ||
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On June 27 2016 16:41 Anamorph wrote: I was surprised seeing them losing against col. They have so much more potential. I am also not sure about the drafts, it feels like misery went to the new meta drafts with timber etc., but they have not trained this before. timber and w33 not working that good. the quali they played before showed up a lot better drafts with stuff like ld mid etc. They should find their own style instead of copying other teams... and this kunkka pick.. well... Support Kunkka worked well for OG in Frankfurt. Generally, I think they lost that game because of really bad teamplay. Pretty sure they're gonna beat CoL in a BO3. | ||
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Anamorph
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Super versatile drafting, nearly each draft feels like they have never trained it before, it is confusing. They have so much potential - individually. Hope they improve in Summit and Starladder. The games where not fun to watch. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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At the same time, that doesn't bode terrible for TI6. If they can bootcamp their planning to the levels that is needed. | ||
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On July 09 2016 20:06 mutantmagnet wrote: Come on who couldn't enjoy watching this play? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLcNPKcCdg Damn, did he just kill 5 people with just a bit of help from Oracle towards the end? Didn't see the game but that was sick, too bad for DC though ;_; | ||
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Diavlo
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On July 10 2016 01:56 Salazarz wrote: Damn, did he just kill 5 people with just a bit of help from Oracle towards the end? Didn't see the game but that was sick, too bad for DC though ;_; Well there is more than a little help from Oracle, without the False promise Invoker dies before he can turn around and kill Pudge, Spectre and DS. Sick play tho and horrible response by DC who panicked when he dropped the first combo. | ||
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On July 14 2016 10:16 the bear jew wrote: Think the pressure got to them? I thought FDL looked better, partly cause expectations were lower. Think the pressure is getting into their heads? Honestly, they just look unprepared for the games. The in-game mechanical play is fine, but they lose the early game most of the time. They've had the same problem that pre-Shanghai Team Secret always ended up having. How they plan to win a game just isn't laid out well. (That version of Secret normally just made sure to draft EE some late-game carry and hope for the best.) They've normally got on the same page for most of the game, so they give up kills that they shouldn't. Lose lanes they shouldn't. Though I feel like their bans have been wrong in both of the previous LANs. So their drafts, while fine in isolation, don't seem ready for the team they're playing against. Though if they had better execution, they can win with them. Think the opposite problem that EG had with Aui has carry. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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And my point about the banning/preparation was very on-point, it turns out. They seem prepared, which let's them actually use their strong players. | ||
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On August 06 2016 15:01 Xendarii wrote: Wow! I missed both matches tonight because I'm in Europe and was sleeping, but their results are REALLY impressive, especially given their mediocre performances in recent tournaments. I'm very happy for them, hopefully they can continue their run! Don't sugar coat the run-up-to-TI tournaments. They bombed out and looked completely lost in their drafting, losing pretty much every laning stage for 3 tournaments in a row. They had completely correctable issues, seeing they have a mechanically skilled roster, but I think they're the first team in a while to actually correct that issue when it mattered. (Fnatic & MVP.P @ Shanghai come to mind, as well.) I'm most happy for Sunsfan, though. The guy has done a lot for the scene and the sudden Western Shuffle nearly left him without a team. Now he has a team that's assured top 9-12 @ TI. That's better than he could have hoped for the day the team blew up. As for the team, I'm happy that they got most of their drafting issues fixed. The flailing for 2 months was rough to watch. | ||
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Anamorph
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DC got a good chance agains TNC I think. | ||
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On August 10 2016 16:34 LemOn wrote: I'd say TNC is the favourite in the series, but by no means a big one TNC looked strong against OG, I liked their movements on the map, very uncommon demon style. I really hope DC will be able to place top6, their drafting now looks pretty solid, I could only critize the last one against Wings where they picked 2 slow heroes (invoker AND morph) to handle early game push (chen..). I think they should have gone for a different approach in terms of countering their early and mid, after the 4th pick chen there was still a core slot available to draft. | ||
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On August 10 2016 21:27 wims80 wrote: Saksa is vastly underrated IMO. He was one of the first players that reached 8k, he's v v strong He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team! | ||
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a_flayer
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On August 11 2016 01:21 DucK- wrote: He and yapzor are players to look out for if they get in a top team! Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year. I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL. I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad. SUNSfan deserves a top team, dammit. | ||
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On August 11 2016 01:45 a_flayer wrote: Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year. I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL. I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad. Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition. | ||
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On August 11 2016 01:48 DucK- wrote: Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition. Did 5Jungz or OG really look like a top tier team in the first few months of their forming? I think these guys can build on something, but clearly I am incredibly biased towards them. I wonder if Moo's mum is single... | ||
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In DC's case the way they've shown up to TI compared to their last few tournament showings is pretty encouraging for them. I doubt any of them is looking to blow the team up, but if something happens in OG, TL, EG or whatever, who knows. And well let's see how far they can go themselves still lol | ||
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brinepumps
Indonesia753 Posts
On August 11 2016 01:45 a_flayer wrote: Why not let DC stick together and work up to a point where Misery doesn't have to do all the captaining alone and instead they can work together as a cohesive unit in all the games they play? So far, the games they've lost it mostly seemed like they were just faltering in their teamwork (feeding 1 by 1, not being able to execute teamfights properly), which is something that can be improved upon over the span of a year. I mean, I don't see any particular weakness in any of their players. You can call out Moo if you like, but even the best Nyx players will miss a stun. And the attempted vendetta hit into stun against Naix is something that he now knows to avoid trying in the future. Moo seems aware of his own shortcomings and appears very dedicated to improving his own plays, based on the interview here on TL. I hate all this "oh he's a good player, lets get him in a top team". Why not have some more Wings/CDEC instead of trying to funnel all players into existing "top" teams? Although CDEC fell apart because of precisely that funnelling, which also made me sad. SUNSfan deserves a top team, dammit. SUNSfan deserves a top team, dammit. you. i like you. | ||
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Anamorph
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On August 11 2016 01:48 DucK- wrote: Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition. That s an interesting prediction ; ) They got 2 proven major winner, in terms of carry performance a top 3 safelane carry, a 8k mmr supp player with high skill and moo. I don t want to underrate moo, he is hard working and he is top 3 offlanes in NA. They will have a great future if they stick. They also got players that are able to play each hero without an exception, from io to chen, to es to meepo. They got a lot of pubstars that naturally adjust fast with new meta hero pools. | ||
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BrownBear
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For real, DC top 6 is beyond my wildest dreams for them this event. Here's hoping they keep the magic going against Ehome in a few hours! | ||
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a_flayer
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On August 11 2016 01:48 DucK- wrote: Well I don't really see this stack (and Escape) becoming the next OG/Liquid. Not saying he should leave or anything, don't get me wrong. But if he/yapzor were to be part of a top team, they can be the next cr1t/zai. They have the potential to have that sort of recognition. Come again? On August 11 2016 15:50 Anamorph wrote: That s an interesting prediction ; ) They got 2 proven major winner, in terms of carry performance a top 3 safelane carry, a 8k mmr supp player with high skill and moo. I don t want to underrate moo, he is hard working and he is top 3 offlanes in NA. They will have a great future if they stick. They also got players that are able to play each hero without an exception, from io to chen, to es to meepo. They got a lot of pubstars that naturally adjust fast with new meta hero pools. I think in game 2 vs the series against EHOME last night we saw three-four players of EHOME agreeing with you and trying to stop Moo... and failing miserably. You can kill him once, you can kill him twice, but you can't keep him down ^_^ People in the live thread shitting on Moo's Timbersaw as well when he died those few times vs the 3-4 players of EHOME in his lane, including a bloody Nyx, which is an almost perfect counter to Timbersaw. Just ridiculous. Never mind the fact that this is, afaik, the first time he's been on a stage this big, or even in a pro team that can compete at this level. I could not believe that the panel were all supporting EHOME at the start of the match. It's like they're not watching the same TI that I am, lol. And still, after they won, people are attributing DCs win to EHOME playing poorly when that's just what happens when you get SUNSFANNED. I know they can beat Fnatic/MVP/Wings as well in terms of individual player skill and draft. It's just going to come down to whether they show up together as a team, which is entirely up to their mindset as they walk on stage. To me, it was absolutely clear that's why they lost the games that they lost. EG might be a different beast, but purely because EG are absolutely working as a unit almost 100% of the time. It is very hard to break them. Even if one player of EG were to stand in the enemy fountain all game, he would be doing that for the team (for whatever reason). | ||
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On August 12 2016 13:11 Xendarii wrote: Just woke up to see that they beat EHOME 2-0 O_o what is happening? This is amazing! Some good games. Game 1 was an outdraft by DC. Ehome didn't ban ET, then walked into a position 4 Naga, so their draft was setup to counter something that didn't happen. Moo got out of control and the game was over pretty quickly. Game 2 was another good draft by DC and a more questionable one from Ehome. It was closer because they killed Moo several times early, but once DC started dropping Sentry Wards, Ehome couldn't get the jump anymore. And it went down hill quickly from that. | ||
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Remember EE saying that Misery was the only member of C9 who's not "next level"? Yeah, well spoken, Mr. Bottom Four. | ||
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On August 12 2016 13:12 a_flayer wrote: Come again? I think in game 2 vs the series against EHOME last night we saw three-four players of EHOME agreeing with you and trying to stop Moo... and failing miserably. You can kill him once, you can kill him twice, but you can't keep him down ^_^ People in the live thread shitting on Moo's Timbersaw as well when he died those few times vs the 3-4 players of EHOME in his lane, including a bloody Nyx, which is an almost perfect counter to Timbersaw. Just ridiculous. Never mind the fact that this is, afaik, the first time he's been on a stage this big, or even in a pro team that can compete at this level. I could not believe that the panel were all supporting EHOME at the start of the match. It's like they're not watching the same TI that I am, lol. And still, after they won, people are attributing DCs win to EHOME playing poorly when that's just what happens when you get SUNSFANNED. I know they can beat Fnatic/MVP/Wings as well in terms of individual player skill and draft. It's just going to come down to whether they show up together as a team, which is entirely up to their mindset as they walk on stage. To me, it was absolutely clear that's why they lost the games that they lost. EG might be a different beast, but purely because EG are absolutely working as a unit almost 100% of the time. It is very hard to break them. Even if one player of EG were to stand in the enemy fountain all game, he would be doing that for the team (for whatever reason). They are having a good tournament no doubt. I still standby what I said. There won't be the level of consistency/dominance that og/liquid has shown, regardless of how high they finish here. Probably gonna do a Vega, albeit at the most important tournament. Feel free to quote me then when I'm wrong. | ||
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a_flayer
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On August 12 2016 14:10 Xendarii wrote: During the games vs TnC, some caster or analyst said that DC has probably had the strongest drafts of all teams throughout the tournament so far. I'm really proud of Misery! Remember EE saying that Misery was the only member of C9 who's not "next level"? Yeah, well spoken, Mr. Bottom Four. Being next level means nothing if you can't get through the current level On August 12 2016 15:52 DucK- wrote: They are having a good tournament no doubt. I still standby what I said. There won't be the level of consistency/dominance that og/liquid has shown, regardless of how high they finish here. Probably gonna do a Vega, albeit at the most important tournament. Feel free to quote me then when I'm wrong. You will submit to the SUNSFAN eventually. | ||
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On August 12 2016 17:45 a_flayer wrote: You will submit to the SUNSFAN eventually. A team that sticks, grinds and improves together is a team I respect. I hope they prove me wrong. | ||
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On August 12 2016 14:10 Xendarii wrote: During the games vs TnC, some caster or analyst said that DC has probably had the strongest drafts of all teams throughout the tournament so far. I'm really proud of Misery! Remember EE saying that Misery was the only member of C9 who's not "next level"? Yeah, well spoken, Mr. Bottom Four. Thats what makes me so happy, all the flames - remember ppy also said a lot often that w33 is not listening and not creating a good athmosphere, EE was flaming misery as the weak link in c9.. and there were a few other comments. Now ppl are discussing if EE will leave secret cause he is just bad since months and w33 and misery take over. Thats karma... and after I saw the flames from ppy against kuro - there needs to be something like justice. | ||
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LemOn
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spudde123
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Nice to see DC doing so well. Fans could take a lesson from w33 though and just concentrate on the current team instead of making references to Secret all the time | ||
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RubickPicker
United States332 Posts
So I'm thinking: Moo has to be the most underrated guy in NA by now? He was almost unheard of before this by people who don't watch NA outside of EG. | ||
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LightTemplar
Ireland481 Posts
Watching him he really carried a lot of the strength of the Fire/Archon stack that qualified for ESL NY. ESL format put them out of that tournament to the winners Vega. After that it was no fluke that DC qualified for so many LANs this year despite often fighting for the qualification spot against a strong CoL team and a number of other solid NA teams. If theres anything I've noticed about top tier dota teams its the teams that go to LANs that eventually rise. | ||
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EG will be a really tough test though. Outdrafting PPD could be very hard, so they have to execute perfectly to advance to the finals. Even if they don't though, TOP 3! Nobody expected that! | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
my apology for any future team mates who will be unfortunate enough to get matched with me because i'm gonna suck so hard it's gonna make sasha grey seem like a catholic nun ... | ||
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Anways, just want to wish you guys good luck today! Im already so happy for the outcome of this TI, EG doing well, Wings in the finals, DC (especially W33 and Misery because of the shit that happened in march) stomping and being top3. I want EG to win today, and it would suck to lose against DC, but if its not EG in the GF, its cool that its DC | ||
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On August 14 2016 02:38 wims80 wrote: Today is the day Wims , I hope you changed banners just for the rest of TI !!!@!@#!@#!@ | ||
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On August 14 2016 03:57 bluzi wrote: Wims , I hope you changed banners just for the rest of TI !!!@!@#!@#!@ Of course | ||
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He made awesome slark plays, hyper aggressive and impressive ones that secured a lot of fights. In the end, very good final games, I liked watching them. Wings is a step behind all teams at this stage, mainly because they re to flexible to prepare. | ||
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If you just look were they live.. urkain, romania, .. most of them should be damn happy.. in ukrain this would be a lifetime sallary, same goes for romania or macedonia, and they still have a regular income. I know its more about the pride, but in the end they achieved something in life they would have never achieved in other ways. They should be proud, and they can support their familys so much now. Seeing it from the dota-perspective, they performed extremly good. Misery made strong drafts and each person of them showed up. No reason to disband, just go on, try to get more out of it, enjoy. | ||
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LightTemplar
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Also so happy for Moo, been following him for a while and its so great to see him achieve, hes such an incredibly good offlaner. | ||
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On August 14 2016 19:54 Anamorph wrote: Game 4 was not bad played. They were behind and he tried to get them in the game. He made awesome slark plays, hyper aggressive and impressive ones that secured a lot of fights. In the end, very good final games, I liked watching them. Wings is a step behind all teams at this stage, mainly because they re to flexible to prepare. They didn't keep their composure and aggression is good, but it wasn't always smart aggression. They got baited and out played. They could of won, but it would always be an uphill struggle since Wings overall was the better team. It was possible to beat them but they couldn't stay in the mental place needed for it. They had a great run and I hope they continue to perform like this in the future. | ||
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On August 16 2016 05:51 hariooo wrote: I think swapping w33 and reso on slark/mirana was a really clear sign of the lack of confidence. Didn't see that when they dropped a game to EG, for example. Wasn't it cause DC was expecting Bat mid and Axe bottom. So they wanted to put w33 mid with Slark. Turned out bad cuz Wings went one step ahead with Faith solo mid. | ||
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On August 16 2016 06:03 DucK- wrote: Wasn't it cause DC was expecting Bat mid and Axe bottom. So they wanted to put w33 mid with Slark. Turned out bad cuz Wings went one step ahead with Faith solo mid. Maybe Wings did expect that originally but if you put w33 on Slark at the beginning of the game isn't that a pretty big sign saying "Slark is mid"? Not like Resolution is any stranger to the mid lane. | ||
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neozxa
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On August 14 2016 19:54 Anamorph wrote: Game 4 was not bad played. They were behind and he tried to get them in the game. He made awesome slark plays, hyper aggressive and impressive ones that secured a lot of fights. In the end, very good final games, I liked watching them. Wings is a step behind all teams at this stage, mainly because they re to flexible to prepare. ironicaly he was both the saving grace and the reason why his team lost, game 4 during the later part of the game when DC was behind after losing a teamfight he took a huge risk and decided to pick off one of wings supports at their secret shop. he went solo with no backup from his team since his team was on the other side of the map if i recall. unfortunately for him he died in the process leaving his team to 4v5 the team, then mirana got picked off also and they had to force w33's buyback. perhaps if w33 didnt go for that play maybe dc would have had a better shot of winning but maybe the game was practically over at a progamer's viewpoint that he had to take the risk and try for a pickoff. although i dont blame him for making that play, it was in the heat of the moment and they had to make something happen. just...damn. He could have sunsfanned dota 2 if they somehow won against wings and won ti6. such a shame, really. | ||
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Because it seems to be clear, that the skilled carries (miracle- . .etc) are in different teams, there is nothing left with the potential of reso. | ||
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a_flayer
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On August 24 2016 16:40 Anamorph wrote: If reso really left, I dont see a future for this squad, because he and w33 were an anglepoint and skillwise are the best in this team, not far away from saksa. Because it seems to be clear, that the skilled carries (miracle- . .etc) are in different teams, there is nothing left with the potential of reso. Based on these tweets, I get a strong feeling they're actually sticking together. + Show Spoiler + But it could go either way, I guess. + Show Spoiler + It might also be important to note that Resolution already survived one roster switch at DC where his entire team left, and still he stuck with sunsfan. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually felt dedicated to staying on the team despite being granted a bit of a star status. Still, its the post-TI roster shuffle and anything could happen. I'm desperately hoping they stick together for another year, as I did when I first saw them come into their own as a team at the TI group stages. Not only because I really like the current DC roster, but also because I really want to stick it to DucK-: On August 12 2016 15:52 DucK- wrote: They are having a good tournament no doubt. I still standby what I said. There won't be the level of consistency/dominance that og/liquid has shown, regardless of how high they finish here. Probably gonna do a Vega, albeit at the most important tournament. Feel free to quote me then when I'm wrong. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On August 24 2016 17:46 a_flayer wrote: Based on these tweets, I get a strong feeling they're actually sticking together. + Show Spoiler + But it could go either way, I guess. + Show Spoiler + It might also be important to note that Resolution already survived one roster switch at DC where his entire team left, and still he stuck with sunsfan. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually felt dedicated to staying on the team despite being granted a bit of a star status. Still, its the post-TI roster shuffle and anything could happen. I'm desperately hoping they stick together for another year, as I did when I first saw them come into their own as a team at the TI group stages. Not only because I really like the current DC roster, but also because I really want to stick it to DucK-: + Show Spoiler + :D Still needs to do well in subsequent tournaments to prove me wrong | ||
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common_cider
342 Posts
w33 just deleted +N tweet. moo also responded to Bulldog on twitter imnplying moon had a team. it's almost certainly moon, but I want a puppey reunion | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
Moon on paper seems to be the better offlaner in terms of the wider hero pool and more stable plays. He is also better in finding farm on the map and being able to play against a 3men safelane. Moo shines when he gets a solo safelane draw, with timber then he rly transfers into a good game winning factor. He is hard working and seems to be a very calm person. I dont know moon or even moo in person, from the interviews I saw I would clearly favor moo as a person and I think thats one of the important facts new captains are not thinking about. They focus on performance instead of team chemistry. Also it changes your drafts - this can transfer into less success because you re not familiar to the new style. I am pretty sure it will fire back, a lesson people like ppy learned after years. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
I don't see much value in talking about team chemistry it's mostly unknown to the community. It seems somewhat unfair to criticize teams for making decisions based on some abstract notion of "clearly they'd have more success if they prioritized friendship over talent...". | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On August 26 2016 05:48 hariooo wrote: DC were doing terribly in general until they peaked ridiculously at TI. Shuffling now doesn't guarantee success but neither does keeping the same team. I'm sure Misery is making a difficult decision with the best information he has at hand. I don't see much value in talking about team chemistry it's mostly unknown to the community. It seems somewhat unfair to criticize teams for making decisions based on some abstract notion of "clearly they'd have more success if they prioritized friendship over talent...". Maybe chemistry is the wrong word in english. But do you really think people can t compare the behaviour of someone by watching interviews and compare them. One example: Moon made an interview (epichats #8) where he was clearly pointing out, that there was a gap between him and 'others' (he is not namedroping) when it comes to taking the game serious. He seems to think, getting better has a lot to do with taking all games (scrims too) very serious and not clowning around. Lets go on the other side. Watch Moo and w33 interviews at TI6. Their basestatement was: we just had fun, we were clowning around, feeding one by one, laughing, yelling, screaming and making it a fun day. The w33 interview made there, I think by a russian caster (you can find it via youtube) shows a lot. So now people here in the forum, and me too, start discussions about "how they work together". From my perspective the points moon made are not fitting into DC. DC handles pressure by having fun in game, making clowny moves and it fits their function as a team, because they really need to fight against the pressure at stage, like each team does. Their compensation is "the fun aspect". From this point of view - moo fits way better than moon, just based on that impression I have. It does not mean its correct, but still is an indicator. My statement is, you can make statements about "how someone fits", because you got a base of statements that reflect different aspects of a personality. You can compare them, do what ever you want, but it s not just theory. There is a fundamental base to discuss this topics, because "famous" persons show parts of their personality. I agree - its just a small part, but still its a fundamental base to make statements. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
im talking less about Moon vs Moo specifically then the notion that teams should always stick it out together as if that's a better guarantee of success. No team older than a year has ever won a valve event. | ||
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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
I don't know. I'm feeling that if DC ever slump, Moon's negative energy that he seemed to give off might not work out so well against the other kind of energy/attitude/disposition. Doesn't it feel too serious for the kind of situation and chaos that DC appeared to be in at say BTS? | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On August 27 2016 00:32 TanGeng wrote: Is this team better? I don't know. I'm feeling that if DC ever slump, Moon's negative energy that he seemed to give off might not work out so well against the other kind of energy/attitude/disposition. Doesn't it feel too serious for the kind of situation and chaos that DC appeared to be in at say BTS? Thats exactly my thought process 1by1. I dont see this working, not with this kind of mentality. He would fit EG. | ||
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MyaurA
United States50 Posts
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Yurie
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Anamorph
236 Posts
On August 27 2016 04:24 Yurie wrote: The problem as other parts of DC sees it might be that they joke around and have that mentality. He might want to change it to a different style and through that gain consistency. I know a lot of people who need that "joking around" factor to reduce their pressure and perform better in dota and even at their job. As a manager I would not make a change on the individual way to handle pressure at all. | ||
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Yurie
11759 Posts
On August 27 2016 04:30 Anamorph wrote: I know a lot of people who need that "joking around" factor to reduce their pressure and perform better in dota and even at their job. As a manager I would not make a change on the individual way to handle pressure at all. I meant more along the line of there being two different styles in the group creating clashes. People joking around and "throwing" making the other people tilt even worse since it makes the pressure higher for them. A team like MVP is a good example of a team not being calm while playing and that working for them since it suits everybody. | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On August 27 2016 04:30 Anamorph wrote: I know a lot of people who need that "joking around" factor to reduce their pressure and perform better in dota and even at their job. As a manager I would not make a change on the individual way to handle pressure at all. Yeah, I don't think w33 would enjoy taking away the joking around part of things... | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
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common_cider
342 Posts
2. also different personality of moo. 3. team decision as well | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On August 27 2016 13:42 common_cider wrote: 1. reason for acquiring moon is b/c he plays traditional offlaners and initiates. 2. also different personality of moo. 3. team decision as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TB5RMKFKTQ For Moo's sake, I really hope he's not learning about this from this interview but was told when he was let go. Edit: After listening to the entire interview (the Moo vs Moon thing came up at the very end), it seems that Misery was already considering Moon before it was even known that he was kicked from OG. That, along with the traditional offlaner/initiator argument makes me appreciate and understand the decision much more. I do wonder if and how much Moo was included in the "team decision" part of things, though. Loot Market (who, admittedly, might hold a bit of a grudge against the decision since they seem to be friends with the Moo family) said that it was done through "a message and without notice", but clearly they must have been talking about this for some time if it was already in Misery's mind before Moon was even kicked from OG. | ||
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zolasell
Greece288 Posts
On August 27 2016 16:47 a_flayer wrote: For Moo's sake, I really hope he's not learning about this from this interview but was told when he was let go. Edit: After listening to the entire interview (the Moo vs Moon thing came up at the very end), it seems that Misery was already considering Moon before it was even known that he was kicked from OG. That, along with the traditional offlaner/initiator argument makes me appreciate and understand the decision much more. I do wonder if and how much Moo was included in the "team decision" part of things, though. Loot Market (who, admittedly, might hold a bit of a grudge against the decision since they seem to be friends with the Moo family) said that it was done through "a message and without notice", but clearly they must have been talking about this for some time if it was already in Misery's mind before Moon was even kicked from OG. Kicking moon was in flys mind from when they lost in Ti6 acording to moon and kicking w33 and misery was in puppeys mind before dotapit.Yet neither said anything before the players got kicked. | ||
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Cybuster
Canada99 Posts
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Anamorph
236 Posts
To get direct invites to every event is not that good in that case. The meta changed. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On October 31 2016 08:05 hariooo wrote: DC has literally never had a single good placement with any iteration in any tournament besides their miraculous TI6 run. I understand the rationale behind inviting them but they have the biggest chance out of all the invites to just buster out straight up (besides MVP I guess rofl). Eh I don't think their invite was ever in question - Valve prefers the NA region orgs And one trick pony or not - they'd still sail through NA qualifiers | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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spudde123
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On October 31 2016 08:05 hariooo wrote: DC has literally never had a single good placement with any iteration in any tournament besides their miraculous TI6 run. I understand the rationale behind inviting them but they have the biggest chance out of all the invites to just buster out straight up (besides MVP I guess rofl). I find it a bit weird how 3rd party organizers are inviting DC to events that happen as late as January (ESL and Dotapit). Their invite to the major is completely justified given how the invite system has worked this far. But I don't think the invite train should really extend to all 3rd party events given that they don't have an extended period of dominance and it's not like they are too busy playing everywhere not to have time for qualifiers, which at times could force the organizer to invite a team if they want them to play. Maybe they'll perform great in the LANs they play this month and at the major and it'll be fine for the organizers, but it has some potential to be a pretty silly situation where the invites seem a bit dumb. Interesting to see how they look in their games before the major. Seems like Misery and Resolution are only now going to their team house in the US so I wonder how much they've even practiced together after TI. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
When even the TI Champ plays 5 or more times than you you're doing something wrong probably | ||
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Deleted User 97295
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
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Racket
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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lestye
United States4149 Posts
SunsFan left Digital Chaos. | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
So it makes sense for him to step aside the CEO spot and focus on his other stuff, his youtube channel was abandoned almost, and moonduck needs to get bigger and cast more important tourneys. (my opinion) | ||
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GOHF
United States1864 Posts
Now, this happened. Pain Gaming's roster got acquired and Chaos are back in Dota 2. | ||
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NInoff
Bulgaria1105 Posts
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