• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:50
CEST 03:50
KST 10:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5TL.net Map Contest #21 - Finalists4Team TLMC #5: Vote to Decide Ladder Maps!0
Community News
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)60Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition285.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119$2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 154
StarCraft 2
General
PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition 5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $2,500 WardiTV TL Map Contest Tournament 15
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive
Brood War
General
Whose hotkey signature is this? Any rep analyzer that shows resources situation? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I'm making videos again
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL20] Ro8 Day 4 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [ASL20] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective TvZ Theorycraft - Improving on State of the Art Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Dawn of War IV Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Stop the Construction YouTube Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1161 users

compLexity Discussion - Page 7

Forum Index > Dota 2 Player & Team Discussion
Post a Reply
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
June 03 2016 10:09 GMT
#121
Thing about col is that while they have been slowly but surely improving, the rate is much slower than their peers. They seem to lack that extra something to edge out games. Too many good performances but not converted into wins.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
June 03 2016 10:24 GMT
#122
On June 03 2016 12:32 Parkplayground wrote:
Col got fucking stomped... 2-28 for newbee i was having high hopes for atleast a good game but it ended before i even got out of loading screen


Something happened with the draft preparation for Newbee. They gave them pretty much all of their comfort heroes and so Newbee just ate them apart.

I didn't get a chance to watch the series against Empire, but the charts suggest it was closer. But the drafts seem a little off from complexity. Maybe they just have read the meta wrong, but they're looking at an early exit from Manila, pretty assuredly.
Mortecian
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada87 Posts
June 03 2016 12:49 GMT
#123
I think they are in a bad mindset at the moment. DC just defeated them 3-9 in their last engagements RIGHT before the major. . . They feel tilted. You see odd laning decisions. Missed spells out of nervousness.

I stopped watching after the first game vs newbee. Hope they wake up but I do not expect much ... Mindset is huge.
Parkplayground
Profile Joined August 2015
72 Posts
July 23 2016 03:36 GMT
#124
After watching the SL games against secret i think its safe to say that swindlezz needs to put some serious work into his laning skills because he set the ball rolling for secret to take game one, and he didnt feel like an impactful player game 2 (which should never be the case on a BM imo).
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
September 11 2018 22:40 GMT
#125
I never in my life imagined I'd ever cheer for compLexity, but I guess it's time to beliEEve. This roster looks really underwhelming though, which I'm sure means that they're going to win everything
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
September 12 2018 01:20 GMT
#126
Underwhelming lineup for EE. If he couldn't accomplish much with abed and dj (not even dominating SEA), I'm not sure what he can do with this stack. I like zfreek, but he really needs to move to a good team.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44206 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-09-12 02:46:07
September 12 2018 02:24 GMT
#127
Not a fan of EE playing support(mainly cause i wanted to see him play carry and that i believe his shotcalling is carry-oriented) but who knows how this will turn out.

He made NTH work as a support so it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

On September 12 2018 10:20 DucK- wrote:
**Underwhelming lineup for EE.** If he couldn't accomplish much with abed and dj (not even dominating SEA), I'm not sure what he can do with this stack. I like zfreek, but he really needs to move to a good team.

Idk i said the same thing with NP 1.0 but his still managed to actually land a 2nd place finish on a tournament. It's kinda weird how he managed to actually finish top 2 at least once on every single roster he played.
this is a quote
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
September 12 2018 07:32 GMT
#128
On September 12 2018 10:20 DucK- wrote:
Underwhelming lineup for EE. If he couldn't accomplish much with abed and dj (not even dominating SEA), I'm not sure what he can do with this stack. I like zfreek, but he really needs to move to a good team.


That Fnatic team was never on the same page. Given EE's fairly micro-manager-styled approach, he's probably better off trying to run a team from the 5. I also think moving to the 5 should let him develop through some of the issues when he was trying to run things from the carry position.

Also, in a dose of reality, ppd's stack is in EU and there's 3+1 slots to the first set of DPC LANs. If EE has spent a week working on his warding, he'll be able to easily turn games against the rest of NA competition, minus EG & SVG's stack. That's a pretty "easy" path to at least the first Minor.
Sapaio
Profile Joined October 2017
Denmark2037 Posts
September 12 2018 08:35 GMT
#129
Is it just me or is EE plus Zfreek a reciepe for disaster.
Think EE should be able to play 5. Move seem inspired by N0tail.
GO OG
Aznupdown
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada318 Posts
September 12 2018 13:26 GMT
#130
N0tail was originally a 5 on EU Fnatic wasn't he? IMO i believe that shot calling should always be made from a support position. As the hard-carry, EE would've been too distracted by looking for places to farm and avoiding being killed.
I said hiii
267
Profile Joined December 2017
64 Posts
September 12 2018 15:33 GMT
#131
I never seen Skem play but assuming that he got some talent I think this team could surprise.

Since I am of the crazy opinion that Limmp is an under valued player that never got a chance in a high caliber team, and that I would put Zfreek in a similiar category.

crocshark
Profile Joined July 2017
139 Posts
September 15 2018 09:41 GMT
#132
Despite what people say, EE team usually made into TI. I don't really like sneyking on pos3 tho.
broodbucket
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia963 Posts
September 29 2018 23:28 GMT
#133
A lot of people were really underwhelmed by this roster but I don't think a full team of allstars is what EE necessarily needs to do well. Most of his teams over the past few years have had strong peaks but were plagued by inconsistency, I think he just needs a roster that clicks.

I wasn't too impressed watching Skemberlu before but EE probably knows a good carry player when he sees one.

Sneyking is good enough for this team, at least for now. Even though he was underwhelming, he still got top 8 at TI.

In any case as a Jacky Mao stan, I'm pretty happy with this team. Can't judge them fully til Skem has been in NA for a while. I think the move back to pos 5 is good and I think compLexity is an incredible org so I'm hopeful.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44206 Posts
October 01 2018 08:30 GMT
#134
Skem might be the starplayer of the team(assuming that guy is actually good) but i feel like EE will have to look for some other pub player 1 pos player considering the visa/travelling issue situation his pinoy carry seem to be facing.

We might not likely see this current roster ever in its possible with the plaguing issues the pinoy player faces
this is a quote
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 15 2018 02:15 GMT
#135
So is Skem ever going to be a part of coL?
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
October 17 2018 14:44 GMT
#136
why is jeyo playing for coL, its actually triggering how much impact he has on the game.
#TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
October 18 2018 01:34 GMT
#137
Glad the boys made it to the playoffs of King's Cup, hope they can at least make it to the finals!
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-18 08:56:18
October 18 2018 08:55 GMT
#138
Jeyo has been standing in because Skem hasn't been able to come to NA. I think his visa application to the US hasn't gone through. Not sure how long it should take. It's not a regular tourist visa but a more permanent one (not sure what exactly it is called).

But they did say that Skem is able to come to ESL and Dreamleague so they'll play with their full lineup at those events. Though at this point they haven't played a single game with Skem so it might take some time to get used to. ESL at least has a pretty extensive group stage with lots of games even if you don't do well so it's good preparation before the minor.
Prev 1 5 6 7 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft393
PiGStarcraft392
PartinGtheBigBoy 224
SpeCial 138
RuFF_SC2 137
StarCraft: Brood War
Larva 975
910 28
Dota 2
monkeys_forever339
NeuroSwarm48
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K461
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor173
Other Games
summit1g4247
Skadoodle133
ViBE123
Mew2King77
fpsfer 1
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick779
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Freeedom11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler35
League of Legends
• Doublelift4246
Other Games
• Scarra1489
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
8h 11m
Map Test Tournament
9h 11m
Zoun vs Spirit
Reynor vs herO
Clem vs MaxPax
OSC
10h 11m
IPSL
17h 11m
Bonyth vs Art_Of_Turtle
Razz vs rasowy
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Barracks vs Snow
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Bisu
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
The PondCast
4 days
OSC
4 days
[ Show More ]
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Safe House 2
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS2
Maestros of the Game
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
WardiTV TLMC #15
EC S1
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.