On August 02 2015 15:07 goody153 wrote:
you pick up alot of really good stuff from watchng rtz's perspective.. his mechanics and camera control are pretty crisp

You mean a lot of dank memes

goody153

44282 Posts

August 02 2015 14:17 GMT

#1502

puppey interview

puppey also mentioned some interesting stuff

Who does this thinking? What your role, Gustav's, 1437's?
I'd say, we all have some thoughts. During the draft, Gustav chooses a hero, if needed, I advise him - that's all. Artour is also helpful. He knows his role better than anybody. So, he can come up with something.

On August 02 2015 20:45 Faruko wrote:

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You mean a lot of dank memes

that's the most important part man

bumwithagun

United States153 Posts

August 05 2015 03:48 GMT

#1503

sooo....about being the best team at TI?

FHDH

United States7023 Posts

August 05 2015 03:51 GMT

#1504

On August 05 2015 12:48 bumwithagun wrote:
sooo....about being the best team at TI?

Wait wait surely no one said that about either team

E: How did I end up in this thread

trollcenter

362 Posts

August 05 2015 04:49 GMT

#1505

Seems like not practicing because they think they're far ahead everyone else comes to bite them in the anus. In the anus, I'm telling you.

bumwithagun

United States153 Posts

August 05 2015 05:36 GMT

#1506

yeah the whole "we dont scrim cause we dont take it seriously" apparently only works until the chinese start super preparing for TI

deadmau

960 Posts

August 05 2015 05:51 GMT

#1507

I'm astonished. I genuinely believed they were toying with people.

Racket

3023 Posts

August 05 2015 06:03 GMT

#1508

On August 05 2015 12:51 FHDH wrote:

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Wait wait surely no one said that about either team

E: How did I end up in this thread

Why? Wrong wagon?

On August 05 2015 14:51 deadmau wrote:
I'm astonished. I genuinely believed they were toying with people.

They are, with the fans... It is a joke. They can still reach the finals and win.

sweetkay

206 Posts

August 05 2015 06:07 GMT

#1509

Anyone else feel like Secret is a team that is dependant on momentum, building up to a peak and staying there churning out game after game relying on their indivual skill and experience. The TI format with all the downtime might be what's hurting them. They are overthinking their matches and just not playing enough dota to get revved up.

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

August 05 2015 06:11 GMT

#1510

Game 1 was them throwing. They got afraid they might lose so they did nothing for 20min after trying to brek highground and letting EHOME into the game completely free. Well deserved loss due to nerves, they played to not lose instead of playing to win.

Didn't see game 2 so can't comment on it but, game 1 was a very uncharacteristic breakdown with such an experienced team of 2 TI winners, 1 finalist and 2 3rd places....

I also kinda doubt they had studied EHOME in any way. Well the swag bitt them in the ass, 0-2 and now they have to fight to stay alive. Either they wake up or they crumble under pressure.

DucK-

Singapore11447 Posts

August 05 2015 06:12 GMT

#1511

Why did Secret lose today? Any quick analysis? S4 looks crap on Viper from what I see in the youtube highlight video.

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

August 05 2015 06:14 GMT

#1512

On August 05 2015 15:12 DucK- wrote:
Why did Secret lose today? Any quick analysis? S4 looks crap on Viper from what I see in the youtube highlight video.

Feel like a hero like Viper just isn't S4's hero. Static hero that doesn't open or create space and plays. He's always been best at heroes like Puck, bat, QoP that can initiate and make stuff happen, not static farming stuff. It's like Dendi playing razor - waste of his talents.

trollcenter

362 Posts

August 05 2015 06:28 GMT

#1513

I don't know how they're going to go through the long loser bracket and beat Vici, who looked way more solid, to make it out of there.

zdarr

France375 Posts

August 05 2015 06:40 GMT

#1514

They might want to avoid playing 2 series against EG although I doubt that's really the case. Both games are outdraft, in game 1 secret had nothing for the storm and game 2 axe was really out of place as he cant lane solo against ww/gyro.

I really dont understand why they ban both lina and qop in both games as they should have picked one of those instead of viper / axe

caiovigg

Brazil1802 Posts

August 05 2015 07:05 GMT

#1515

On August 05 2015 15:28 trollcenter wrote:
I don't know how they're going to go through the long loser bracket and beat Vici, who looked way more solid, to make it out of there.

Vici looked solid against clown9, they were far from solid against navi yesterday. Secret can totally win against IG and COL, they 2-0 both teams in the group stage. But they need to play better than today.

Geisterkarle

Germany3257 Posts

August 05 2015 08:41 GMT

#1516

I just tuned in the second game when the Axe got a 3 man call, that COULD have turned the tide, if RTZ would battlefuryslicing through them ... but he was split up from the rest of the team ... could have been a turning point BECAUSE of Axe!

Also in the first map pick/ban the commentators even mentioned it: Secret picked single target heroes, but EHOME got the team fight! In both maps they were superior in that regard! Secret has to pick more for AoE dmg! QoP could be very strong in that regard and S4's hands, gyrocopter for RTZ, ... or if they are single target, take more "disruptive" ones. Clinkz with Orchid or Drow with Gust (think about it if in the first game ww or phoenix would have been silent and the wombocombo wasn't there!)

bloodwhore~

1010 Posts

August 05 2015 08:59 GMT

#1517

I think they need to play more 'skillbased' heroes. S4 viper is retarded, give him a hero he can actually make plays with like qop, storm, puck etc. This goes for pretty much every player on Secret.

BillGates

471 Posts

August 05 2015 17:03 GMT

#1518

The truth is Secret got outplayed! They were leading 20 minutes into the first game with a significant lead at such an early point in the game, but they managed to somehow whither their lead away.

They also didn't force the push as much as they should have and were still trying to smoke gank with 3 heroes to find pickoffs even though they had a significant lead.

If they were able to take 1 rax by 25 minutes it would have guaranteed them the game, but they went for some silly risky plays trying to pick off heroes and got picked off instead, with Ehome running as 5 the whole time.

TomatoBisque

United States6290 Posts

August 05 2015 17:10 GMT

#1519

Secret lost game 1 off a dumb fight in the Dire jungle. s4 showed bot so EHOME smoked up and Secret did a cocky 4 man and got punished for it.