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On October 07 2014 06:42 Emnjay808 wrote:I'm at school right now. Can you list source or rumor?
srbelvedere(patch note guy) teases, EG twitter mentioning sing, charlie beeing the first person to deny youporn...
I acctually don't like the idea of an organization having 4 GOOD teams
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On October 04 2014 02:28 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2014 02:13 JD. wrote: Secret making it look too easy. What happens when teams ban Wisp and actually impede Puppey's Enigma though?
Does anyone know if any players (including those from Secret) have said anything about their scrim records? Puppey will pick mirana and shot arrows in their faces about their scrims, we only have EE saying: Show nested quote +
What do you think about all the new western teams?
We already beat Secret Team in scrims. I actually think they suck but apparently they own everyone else. They do decently well with everyone else. Obviously they're not as good as people say they are just based on the star power. You'd think they would dominate everyone but none of them are used to their roles. Everyone switched roles except Puppey, like even Kuroky is half support half carry. They don't really understand their roles and I don't know how much time they'll need to adjust to that. Hopefully for them they don't lose too much. If you lose too much, even though you need time to adjust, you can't because you're already too negative.
But they got REKT by TS like one week after, so I guess EE is just talking shit... link to the interview: http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/466445-c9eternalenvy-interview-at-wec-i-really-dont-like-how-xiao8-retired i think EE based his opinion off of a limited subset, and also when secret were still adjusting their roles
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On October 07 2014 07:10 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 06:42 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2014 05:51 caiovigg wrote: So, EG bought both secret and TT? I'm at school right now. Can you list source or rumor? srbelvedere(patch note guy) teases, EG twitter mentioning sing, charlie beeing the first person to deny youporn... I acctually don't like the idea of an organization having 4 GOOD teams  I really hope it's not true. I was okay with EG having Alliance in EU and EG in NA, different regions I suppose (same with NaVi). VP having polar wasn't a big deal either as I don't expect them to be a T1 team ever. But TT, Secret, Alliance and EG just seems like it's taking advantage of the money that's going into Dota right now. I hope that Secret announces their sponsor soon regardless
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On October 07 2014 09:46 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 07:10 caiovigg wrote:On October 07 2014 06:42 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2014 05:51 caiovigg wrote: So, EG bought both secret and TT? I'm at school right now. Can you list source or rumor? srbelvedere(patch note guy) teases, EG twitter mentioning sing, charlie beeing the first person to deny youporn... I acctually don't like the idea of an organization having 4 GOOD teams  I really hope it's not true. I was okay with EG having Alliance in EU and EG in NA, different regions I suppose (same with NaVi). VP having polar wasn't a big deal either as I don't expect them to be a T1 team ever. But TT, Secret, Alliance and EG just seems like it's taking advantage of the money that's going into Dota right now. I hope that Secret announces their sponsor soon regardless If it's true, it's also a ginormous risk on EG's part since you will run out of sponsors currently. Bringing in Secret and TT will encourage a new wave of sponsors but after that, you'll kinda run out of space to put your tags, and the interview plugs will take minutes too long. I really hope that it's DK.eu actually. Just to throw it out there.
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On October 07 2014 16:54 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 09:46 giftdgecko wrote:On October 07 2014 07:10 caiovigg wrote:On October 07 2014 06:42 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2014 05:51 caiovigg wrote: So, EG bought both secret and TT? I'm at school right now. Can you list source or rumor? srbelvedere(patch note guy) teases, EG twitter mentioning sing, charlie beeing the first person to deny youporn... I acctually don't like the idea of an organization having 4 GOOD teams  I really hope it's not true. I was okay with EG having Alliance in EU and EG in NA, different regions I suppose (same with NaVi). VP having polar wasn't a big deal either as I don't expect them to be a T1 team ever. But TT, Secret, Alliance and EG just seems like it's taking advantage of the money that's going into Dota right now. I hope that Secret announces their sponsor soon regardless If it's true, it's also a ginormous risk on EG's part since you will run out of sponsors currently. Bringing in Secret and TT will encourage a new wave of sponsors but after that, you'll kinda run out of space to put your tags, and the interview plugs will take minutes too long. I really hope that it's DK.eu actually. Just to throw it out there.
I think more teams means less risk. All the sponsorships in esports havent changed much in two years and they wont for the next couple of years. If EG acts like a teamhub from now on they could have alot better survivability then when they just had 1 team.
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Poll: Secret Team's SponsorNot EG (43) 93% EG (3) 7% 46 total votes Your vote: Secret Team's Sponsor (Vote): EG (Vote): Not EG
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On October 07 2014 07:10 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2014 06:42 Emnjay808 wrote:On October 07 2014 05:51 caiovigg wrote: So, EG bought both secret and TT? I'm at school right now. Can you list source or rumor? srbelvedere(patch note guy) teases, EG twitter mentioning sing, charlie beeing the first person to deny youporn... I acctually don't like the idea of an organization having 4 GOOD teams  + Virtus Pro twitter posting the 4 team logos (EG, A, TT, Secret) and tweeting "what do all these teams have in common?".
Agree. Having 4 top teams from the same organisation/owner will be bullshit for the scene. Endes "did TEAM A throw on purpose" every game etc.
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They all have at least 1 swede playing in them? :p
I seriously hope it won't be more EG Teams... I would hate that so much.
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Could well be they are also managing teams for a certain fee, profitshare or whatever, in that way the teams would hire EG instead of EG aquiring a 2 aditional teams.
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I don't think it will be EG technically, just Alex Garfield or the goodgame agency owning them. They might share a few sponsors, but I think it's much more efficient to talk with a sponsor and offer him 1-4 teams to sponsor in different parts of the world and let them decide. They can just wet their feet in ESPORTS or go all out with their logos plastered on podiums of every LAN event in NA or EU.
That's assuming the rumors are true.
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And there goes [A]dmiralbulldog.HyperX and kills Secret.Puppey.HyperX. It reminds me a lot of that game where Liquid'Bulba.HyperX owned EG.PPD.HyperX. Stay tuned for next game where we will see a mid clash of the titans between EG.Arteezy.HyperX and TeamTinker.SingSing.HyperX
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There can never be enough EG teams for Alex Garfield.
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On October 08 2014 02:10 Zaphid wrote: I don't think it will be EG technically, just Alex Garfield or the goodgame agency owning them. They might share a few sponsors, but I think it's much more efficient to talk with a sponsor and offer him 1-4 teams to sponsor in different parts of the world and let them decide. They can just wet their feet in ESPORTS or go all out with their logos plastered on podiums of every LAN event in NA or EU.
That's assuming the rumors are true. Same problem I had before. If there actually is a "neutral" agency or company that is working on marketing teams the 322 potential is gonna be there. Whether it happens or not, the fact that it can be asked if X lost to Y because their agency wanted to increase Y's exposure to score a contract with a sponsor shouldn't be allowed to happen. Too many pieces moving through one area. I'd love it if they just kept the name secret and found a few sponsors like razor and hyperX but that is a lot of extra work.
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On October 08 2014 04:40 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:10 Zaphid wrote: I don't think it will be EG technically, just Alex Garfield or the goodgame agency owning them. They might share a few sponsors, but I think it's much more efficient to talk with a sponsor and offer him 1-4 teams to sponsor in different parts of the world and let them decide. They can just wet their feet in ESPORTS or go all out with their logos plastered on podiums of every LAN event in NA or EU.
That's assuming the rumors are true. Same problem I had before. If there actually is a "neutral" agency or company that is working on marketing teams the 322 potential is gonna be there. Whether it happens or not, the fact that it can be asked if X lost to Y because their agency wanted to increase Y's exposure to score a contract with a sponsor shouldn't be allowed to happen. Too many pieces moving through one area. I'd love it if they just kept the name secret and found a few sponsors like razor and hyperX but that is a lot of extra work.
Yup. Remember TI4? EG x Alliance was one of the last games played, and people were saying EG would throw so alliance had a chance to qualify to the main event.
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On October 08 2014 04:40 giftdgecko wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 02:10 Zaphid wrote: I don't think it will be EG technically, just Alex Garfield or the goodgame agency owning them. They might share a few sponsors, but I think it's much more efficient to talk with a sponsor and offer him 1-4 teams to sponsor in different parts of the world and let them decide. They can just wet their feet in ESPORTS or go all out with their logos plastered on podiums of every LAN event in NA or EU.
That's assuming the rumors are true. Same problem I had before. If there actually is a "neutral" agency or company that is working on marketing teams the 322 potential is gonna be there. Whether it happens or not, the fact that it can be asked if X lost to Y because their agency wanted to increase Y's exposure to score a contract with a sponsor shouldn't be allowed to happen. Too many pieces moving through one area. I'd love it if they just kept the name secret and found a few sponsors like razor and hyperX but that is a lot of extra work. With how random team performances are, selling teams based on 1 or 2 results seems crazy, but I understand. I think it's still asinine to suggest people would be throwing games intentionally, just like when teammates fight in SC2, but it's hard to kill the argument.
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The real issue is with qualification. This has been an issue in open-wheel racing where cars from the same team will let teammates pass them for the team's greater good in qualification score. Of course in that situation in the end it is the individual performances that matter just like in Dota but that doesn't stop there being incentive at points in the tournament for a throw to take place.
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On October 08 2014 05:13 caiovigg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2014 04:40 giftdgecko wrote:On October 08 2014 02:10 Zaphid wrote: I don't think it will be EG technically, just Alex Garfield or the goodgame agency owning them. They might share a few sponsors, but I think it's much more efficient to talk with a sponsor and offer him 1-4 teams to sponsor in different parts of the world and let them decide. They can just wet their feet in ESPORTS or go all out with their logos plastered on podiums of every LAN event in NA or EU.
That's assuming the rumors are true. Same problem I had before. If there actually is a "neutral" agency or company that is working on marketing teams the 322 potential is gonna be there. Whether it happens or not, the fact that it can be asked if X lost to Y because their agency wanted to increase Y's exposure to score a contract with a sponsor shouldn't be allowed to happen. Too many pieces moving through one area. I'd love it if they just kept the name secret and found a few sponsors like razor and hyperX but that is a lot of extra work. Yup. Remember TI4? EG x Alliance was one of the last games played, and people were saying EG would throw so alliance had a chance to qualify to the main event.
If team ownership isn't secret, in most of these cases you can mitigate the issue by scheduling those matches first rather than what TI did (although they probably had maximizing viewers in mind). When it gets to bracket stages, there is only so much they can do to help each other so it doesn't matter any more. You still have the issue of them trying to avoid each other in early knockout rounds by potentially throwing a late round robin game, but there have always been situations where people are trying to dodge a particular opponent.
Edit: for clarity
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I think its teamliquid, they knew it all along because nobody in the scene has a teamname with "team" in it except nazgul.
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I don't want Secrets sponsor to be EG. If it happens, they will control too many teams in the scene
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On October 08 2014 15:54 WindWolf wrote: I don't want Secrets sponsor to be EG. If it happens, they will control too many teams in the scene there can never be enough teams for Alex Garfield
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