EPTTeam Secret Discussion - Page 15
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BillGates
471 Posts
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goody153
44202 Posts
I don't think he was bad with the team and he certainly improved so much as an offlane. I hope this lineup with misery works well like Fata with C9 and EGM with alliance(when envy got kicked). | ||
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Lash-
Germany61 Posts
Now they add misery and this guy has a lot more individual skill, Fly feels just so mediocre in that regard. They have a lot more potential now. Ofc there is always a risk that its not working out as expected, but they did not win any Tournament until now and Fly wont evolve into a whole new player. Misery plays Dota since forever he knows his stuff and with a competent team around him for the first time, he will get hungry for championships again. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
They want to make it difficult for enemies, where a player is laning and which player is playing which hero! ppy is support, but maybe they play Lycon more...  kky is well known to be a great 5 and his carry is great too! n0tail seems to be good at anything.. s4 can go mid or safelane and probably learn more for offlane and Misery... I actually don't know him that well but sounds that he can go offlane or in support roles too! | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On December 18 2014 21:07 Geisterkarle wrote: I read a post, where it is thought about that Secret is switching its roles, now that Misery is in. And maybe that's the reason: They want to make it difficult for enemies, where a player is laning and which player is playing which hero! ppy is support, but maybe they play Lycon more... kky is well known to be a great 5 and his carry is great too! n0tail seems to be good at anything.. s4 can go mid or safelane and probably learn more for offlane and Misery... I actually don't know him that well but sounds that he can go offlane or in support roles too! ya that works amazing for team tinker | ||
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Hoenicker
243 Posts
how? You mean fly to tinker? doubt it somehow.. | ||
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trollcenter
362 Posts
On December 18 2014 23:08 Hoenicker wrote: how? You mean fly to tinker? doubt it somehow.. He was sarcastic about the way role switching is not a good idea for a team in the long run. Teamliquid did it when they were formed, Teamtinker did it more recently and you saw where that leads. You can't be consistent enough when you keep changing your team dynamic from one game to the other. Sure, it may be done sometimes when the stakes aren't that high, but in TI and other high caliber tournaments, the players who keep switching around will simply not have the same experience in one role as those dedicated to it. And even if they were just as good, the simple fact that no two players are the same the whole team has to adjust to different playstyles depending on who plays what role. This all leads to more chances of mistakes and inconsistency in your game. | ||
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Seek75
United States22 Posts
The problem with Tinker is that none of them have properly defined roles. They don't know what they're supposed to be accomplishing because every single game they completely switch it up without any consistency whatsoever. The concrete roles just aren't there, and so people get mixed up and don't know who has farm priority over who because everyone defaults to farming since that's essentially one of the only constants between every role except maybe hard support. That's why we end up with games where SingSing is completely sacked, Bulba and EGM never buy any wards and are constantly out of position, and the only person who really knows what they're doing and has any farm priority whatsoever is qojqva who more often than not is playing a hero that can't carry 1v5 anyways. If Secret can properly define the roles of everyone on the team first, then switching it up shouldn't be that much of a problem because they should theoretically be able to understand each of the roles they're in since they took the time to study up and understand what everyone's job in the team is. Not that I really believe they're going to do that, though. They don't really strike me as the type to switch things up unless it's necessary. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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eMVees
Ukraine3 Posts
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Arkhe
France116 Posts
Well it's Captain draft but i don't care , it's still a begining  | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
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Arkhe
France116 Posts
I hope secret will make it to the ESL ONE 2015 :D | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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GiveMeYourtTots
990 Posts
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Theoren
Canada810 Posts
On December 24 2014 02:51 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: What happened to this team? They used to look unstoppable. What do you mean used to? They just won their first tournament two days ago and are looking for their second win today. What exactly makes you think they are suddenly struggling. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
And if you're referring to the VPP game: VPP has recently beaten C9 and EG in series. They are legit. | ||
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GiveMeYourtTots
990 Posts
On December 24 2014 03:56 Theoren wrote: What do you mean used to? They just won their first tournament two days ago and are looking for their second win today. What exactly makes you think they are suddenly struggling. They lost to lajons yesterday, lost to vp earlier. When they started playing there is no way they would lose to these teams. They're also losing right now. | ||
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goody153
44202 Posts
On December 24 2014 05:00 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: They lost to lajons yesterday, lost to vp earlier. When they started playing there is no way they would lose to these teams. They're also losing right now. VP is a really good team now though. Idk Lajons but hey everybody loses. Also it's normal for the the top team(arguably since EG exist in the west) to drop games. There is no top team ever that never dropped a single game against someone even if they are an inferior comptetitor. That's just impossible to achieve at some point you are gonna lose games or even a series but that doesn't remove your credibility as the top team of the scene. Unless the top team are losing constantly losing to weaker teams and are getting bad results compared to the inferior team then obviously they are probably not the top team anymore. Means they slumped or got figured out or something. | ||
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Theoren
Canada810 Posts
On December 24 2014 05:00 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: They lost to lajons yesterday, lost to vp earlier. When they started playing there is no way they would lose to these teams. They're also losing right now. They lost two games in a tourney they were virtually guaranteed to qualify for regardless of the outcome of those matches. The lions game in particular came 15 minutes after they had finished an epic 4 game series with VP. | ||
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