EPTGoing to have to watch the games to see what went wrong. Probably everything.
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Going to have to watch the games to see what went wrong. Probably everything. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On January 30 2016 01:09 FuzzyJAM wrote: Gods damn it. Going to have to watch the games to see what went wrong. Probably everything. It's really painful to watch, it reminded of my low points of Secret 2.0, people feeding 1 by 1. | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
On January 29 2016 10:37 Acritter wrote: Secret can 100% beat Newbee if they play smart and stable. Secret are at their strongest when exploiting one of Newbee's greatest weaknesses: finishing the goddamn game. Puppey and EE both completely understand how to hold high ground and stall into the lategame, and can excel in that field. Newbee are extremely weak against that kind of style. So long as w33 and Misery are able to hold things together and don't go on mega tilt, I think Secret should be able to win. Well, they weren't able to. I think Secret might just not be playing towards their strengths the way they should be, stuck in this awkward place where they aren't playing their own style and aren't playing the patch's style. It's regrettable. Yeah but i think they have bigger problems like they seem to have lost that wonderful synergy that had before. They don't work as one unit anymore that they did during Franknut time and before. Well they are in a better state now than after franknut dear god they were a a living disaster still though they aren't any better. Idk if it's lose of trust with each other, or too much differing opinions on how to play ingame but they have to fix that shit or internal conflict. If they can't there's probably a good chance they are disbanding or doing a major roster change after Shangai if they can't fix their shit together. Secret pls stop turning into c9 and the awful version of c9 even. On January 30 2016 01:29 Spicy_Curry wrote: legion commander is not a hero. please stop picking it. cannot agree more lol | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
Second game the game was going pretty well but they slightly executed bad when catching NB taking rosh and then lost the eventual fight though it was extremely close to being just 3 NB guys straight dead had they hit their spells in sync to the pit. EE died a few times in a pretty silly fashion when he screwed up with remnants (and also there was a pretty fast orchid on Furion) but after a while Secret stabilized and just took it late and eventually won with a fat Ember, LD and w33 doing his thing on Earth Spirit. And 3rd game Secret did alright early, TB and LC were topping nw charts, LC got a few duels and w33 was doing fine on ES. But with NB grouping up a lot they didn't really find picks with LC, both LC and TB were also caught out by smokes I think once. At some point NB got the aegis and when they push towers it was pretty awkward for Secret to get a good initiation with their lineup. And then the game basically ended to a fight where w33 caught the Eartshaker in the woods when their smoke popped but later missed a roll and went straight in the middle of the enemy team a long way out, rest of Secret got 3 man chronoed and 4 died in total which lead to NB getting raxes. I think ideally with their lineup they wanted to get more ahead early with LC picks and be the ones pushing towers with TB and LC guaranteeing that TB always gets sunder off. But the way it went their lineup was rather hard to play I think. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On January 30 2016 01:29 Spicy_Curry wrote: legion commander is not a hero. please stop picking it. mirana too | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
i wish mirana was relevant i mean core mirana not just roaming support | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
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goody153
44237 Posts
On January 30 2016 02:38 LemOn wrote: Theres gonna be a big shuffle after shanghai anyway no? that makes sense some teams are probably gonna do that regardless especially if they are unsatisfied with their state and don't think they can just make it work or be good enough given time before the last major and more importantly TI. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On January 30 2016 02:38 LemOn wrote: Theres gonna be a big shuffle after shanghai anyway no? There's a shuffle period sure but for there to be a big shuffle in the west it would require multiple teams from Secret, EG, OG, Alliance, TL to make changes. The public opinion seems to be that most of these teams are very likely to stay together and Secret's recent struggles have spurred a lot of roster change speculation for them. But that said if we consider what happened after TI and what happened in the end of 2014 for the top western teams, a lot of the changes were stuff that noone was really predicting. And as the roster shuffle period is the last one before TI, I can see teams making changes even if they were doing decently if they don't really see their development going to a very high TI placing. Hard to really speculate on any specific team changing and who they might get because who wants to change and what alternatives they have depends so much on how each team does. | ||
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Klowney
Sweden277 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On January 30 2016 01:34 goody153 wrote: Yeah but i think they have bigger problems like they seem to have lost that wonderful synergy that had before. They don't work as one unit anymore that they did during Franknut time and before. Well they are in a better state now than after franknut dear god they were a a living disaster still though they aren't any better. Idk if it's lose of trust with each other, or too much differing opinions on how to play ingame but they have to fix that shit or internal conflict. If they can't there's probably a good chance they are disbanding or doing a major roster change after Shangai if they can't fix their shit together. Secret pls stop turning into c9 and the awful version of c9 even. cannot agree more lol " On January 30 2016 01:35 spudde123 wrote: I didn't see the first game but it seems at some point Secret was in a fine position, then Newbee caught EE once, took rosh out of it, and Secret started losing control. Second game the game was going pretty well but they slightly executed bad when catching NB taking rosh and then lost the eventual fight though it was extremely close to being just 3 NB guys straight dead had they hit their spells in sync to the pit. EE died a few times in a pretty silly fashion when he screwed up with remnants (and also there was a pretty fast orchid on Furion) but after a while Secret stabilized and just took it late and eventually won with a fat Ember, LD and w33 doing his thing on Earth Spirit. And 3rd game Secret did alright early, TB and LC were topping nw charts, LC got a few duels and w33 was doing fine on ES. But with NB grouping up a lot they didn't really find picks with LC, both LC and TB were also caught out by smokes I think once. At some point NB got the aegis and when they push towers it was pretty awkward for Secret to get a good initiation with their lineup. And then the game basically ended to a fight where w33 caught the Eartshaker in the woods when their smoke popped but later missed a roll and went straight in the middle of the enemy team a long way out, rest of Secret got 3 man chronoed and 4 died in total which lead to NB getting raxes. I think ideally with their lineup they wanted to get more ahead early with LC picks and be the ones pushing towers with TB and LC guaranteeing that TB always gets sunder off. But the way it went their lineup was rather hard to play I think. thanks for the game 3 summary, I caught 1 and 2 then fell asleep. Honestly the problem seems like they just haven't understood the patch and practiced. Their drafts are either alliance copies or they try to fit Ember in. The only thing that has seemed to work is Earth Spirit mid, but otherwise things just seem so discombobulated. What's the next tournament they're playing? | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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ref4
2933 Posts
On January 30 2016 03:30 Klowney wrote: Someting is seriously wrong with the in game leadership. Both versions of secret started out good and then completely fell apart with Puppey as captain. I mean out of all the incarnations of secret, puppey is the only constant. maybe he is to blame? | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On January 30 2016 04:04 spudde123 wrote: I don't think they will play any LANs before the major. PLD said in an interview at SL that they were looking to bootcamp for two weeks even before the major. Not sure if there is anything online that they are playing. hmm, I guess 1 month of hardcore boot camping then... | ||
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Angeloidus
Russian Federation251 Posts
On January 30 2016 03:30 Klowney wrote: started out good and then completely fell apart with Puppey as captain It looks like it had started long before Team Secret even became a thing. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 30 2016 04:47 Angeloidus wrote: It looks like it had started long before Team Secret even became a thing. Oh no! Don't plant that seed bro! Leave NaVi out of this or Mensol will haunt you to death. Also, funny how he disappeared as soon as Secret began to fall, he does it every time. Big time fan there. | ||
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bagels21
United States4357 Posts
On January 30 2016 05:05 Racket wrote: Oh no! Don't plant that seed bro! Leave NaVi out of this or Mensol will haunt you to death. Also, funny how he disappeared as soon as Secret began to fall, he does it every time. Big time fan there. the funniest was FHDH...lol anyhow, they have half a year till TI. While the major is important, TI is still the end goal. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
Why aren't we playing today?... ... ....... | ||
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