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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:07 Alpino wrote: i miss w33ha in the top of the networth Well, WR is out of the picture. Just wait until the tide of meta brings another wave. On January 16 2016 03:10 goody153 wrote: c9 is back or have they been c9 all along Heheh, you shouldn't have changed your flair goody | ||
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Terrorbladder
2750 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
But there's still quite a lot of time until the major. I would assume they will figure out better what they want to do. Not sure if they have other events than MarsTV to play in though, playing games would probably help in this situation. | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:41 Terrorbladder wrote: So we can all agree that w33 is a bad Miracle? He has about 1/10 of the viable hero pool of Miracle. Miracle hasn't played on that many heroes either. Mainly SF, Gyro and Alch. He might fall off with the new patch as well. Or me might be even better who knows. | ||
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On January 16 2016 03:29 Racket wrote: Well, WR is out of the picture. Just wait until the tide of meta brings another wave. Heheh, you shouldn't have changed your flair goody And honestly is WR that heavily nerfed? W33 had a significantly higher Shackle rate compared to other players in the same patch even if you believe it was that OP. I feel like his inherent synergy with the hero wouldn't be lost even if he loses a few degrees of latch. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Only PLD and Envy can be said to have had a mostly good tournament. Puppey was OK, I guess. W33 was pretty bad and Misery was just. . .But then offlane is always very difficult and determined by your team more than any other role, so I don't want to trash him too much. | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
I also don't understand why Puppey doesn't pick heroes like Centaur, briste and invoker more often, they are OP in this patch. Centaur is a late game monster, like unless you have lifesteal you are going to kill yourself on him, his return damage is ridiculous. Briste is absurdly good again, deals tons of damage, great early and mid game, can transition to late game and invoker is just great period. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
The issue, if you can call it that, is just that there are a lot of teams very close in ability so a slight dip in performance results in a massive dip in results. They're not actually playing that much worse than when they were winning, it's just things aren't quite going their way so they lose to teams that were always close and have now overtaken them. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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hound_98
United States66 Posts
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wims80
1892 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:23 hound_98 wrote: I used to believe that this new Team Secret was a consistent DOTA 2 powerhouse like EG. After today's loss to Alliance (might I add, losing with a counter-pick EE Terrorblade), and their previous string of losses, I no longer believe this anymore. Not until they prove themselves again. EG lost to Alliance as well, does that make them dumpster tier? | ||
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hound_98
United States66 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:38 wims80 wrote: EG lost to Alliance as well, does that make them dumpster tier? No it doesn't. Because I believe EG is more consistent than Team Secret. EG has their wins and losses all accross the board, but when you look at their record of major lans they attend in the past year, they are almost always have a top spot. The new team secret, have not consistently placed high in major lans they attend since they formed. They started off really well, then somewhat declined from there after frankfurt. Also, I do not think Secret is dumpster tier. I still think they're a super good tier 1 team. Its just becoming more and more apparent that they have not figured out as much about the meta than some other tier 1 teams have. In the end, I'm definitely looking for a secret comeback in shanghai! | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 16 2016 09:38 wims80 wrote: EG lost to Alliance as well, does that make them dumpster tier? what the fuck are these arbitrary random "tiers" it's pretty comical they are still prevalent in l.dota especially when so many teams have ups and downs and how the turbulent the scene is now. | ||
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Racket
3023 Posts
On January 16 2016 11:32 LemOn wrote: what the fuck are these arbitrary random "tiers" it's pretty comical they are still prevalent in l.dota especially when so many teams have ups and downs and how the turbulent the scene is now. Tiers only means how fans feel about their teams, completely arbitrary and subjective as it gets, at least at this moment. Tiers are not anymore what they used to be. | ||
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BillGates
471 Posts
Tier 2 are players who know the basics, know many of the heroes, but not all the heroes, not all the builds and the advanced mechanics and stuff. Mostly 2k to 3.5k players Tier 3 are players who know most of the heroes, the basics, the strategy and have the reaction time. Most players are here, who are usually 4k to 6k. Tier 4 are players who know all of the heroes or virtually all(95%+), who know strategy, advanced mechanics, can read the game fast and well. This is usually older players who've played the game for a long time and can be anywhere between 3.5k to 8k mmr. | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On January 16 2016 22:33 BillGates wrote: There are 4 tiers overall in Dota. Tier 1 is players who are just starting, who have no clue about anything in Dota, even if they've played other "mobas". 0 to about 2k mmr players Tier 2 are players who know the basics, know many of the heroes, but not all the heroes, not all the builds and the advanced mechanics and stuff. Mostly 2k to 3.5k players Tier 3 are players who know most of the heroes, the basics, the strategy and have the reaction time. Most players are here, who are usually 4k to 6k. Tier 4 are players who know all of the heroes or virtually all(95%+), who know strategy, advanced mechanics, can read the game fast and well. This is usually older players who've played the game for a long time and can be anywhere between 3.5k to 8k mmr. [citation needed] Tiers in the pro scene are basically - a shot at winning a major LAN - regularly attends major LANs - occasionally makes a deep run in the qualifiers - complete unknown. Everybody tailors it to their needs, for example I'd argue that Secret can lose 25 games in a row, but they still have a shot at winning any LAN they attend, same for EG. Alliance had to be in shambles for a year to drop out of that status and now they are back in. Compare that to C9 or current Liquid, who you knew could qualify, but to see them in a finals is a very rare occurence, not to mention winning one (I know, Defense, but that one was without EG/Secret and they have yet to show any similar feat) | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
They're not necessarily useless as a basis for discussions, they've become useless because everyone uses their own definition and excepts others to understand what they mean. | ||
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Verniy
Canada3360 Posts
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