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Hai1Fyre
South Africa270 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
w33haa and misery played quite bad in game 2 | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
On September 23 2015 04:47 Mensol wrote: That was an easy series. w33haa and misery played quite bad in game 2 the whole team took a beating in the early game so puppey can farm the jungle, don't think it's w33's fault for not having any support against pl and es. misery could work on his hooks tho. good thing pld saved their asses in side lanes, that early game could have been a lot worse. | ||
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broodbucket
Australia963 Posts
Not the strongest opponent but the team definitely has potential to be super good. | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
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hariooo
Canada2830 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:22 Sn0_Man wrote: Why wud u wish that on artour? so he can live the dream, live the meme | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On September 23 2015 08:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Puppey and EE played solid all series, but man... Misery and PLD really disappointed me. Why? Both did very well in game 1, 2nd game Misery missed a few hooks early on which screwed up Secret's ganks but it happens to everyone sometimes. After the difficult start in that game there was just not much for Misery to do aggressively. PLD on the other hand was doing his usual thing when the team is behind, pushing out lanes aggressively only to get NaVi run after him with multiple heroes while EE and others are farming. A lot of his deaths were hardly even that poor play. | ||
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FiWiFaKi
Canada9859 Posts
On September 23 2015 08:35 spudde123 wrote: Why? Both did very well in game 1, 2nd game Misery missed a few hooks early on which screwed up Secret's ganks but it happens to everyone sometimes. After the difficult start in that game there was just not much for Misery to do aggressively. PLD on the other hand was doing his usual thing when the team is behind, pushing out lanes aggressively only to get NaVi run after him with multiple heroes while EE and others are farming. A lot of his deaths were hardly even that poor play. I'm looking mostly at game 2, hard to look at games you're stomping the whole way, since anything you do is way more forgiving, and thus mistakes can be a bit harder to spot. In the second game, Misey missed every hook in the game, until the game reached a point where Secret was far enough ahead that it didn't matter. I agree, sometimes you have a rough game, and you'll miss like 2-3 in a row... But that was what, 5 or 6? And the prediction in hook locations wasn't good either, I dunno, just not impressed with that. I only have this series to judge him by on Secret though, so of course my opinion is going to be subject to high variance. PLD on the other hand, yes, he made space for the AM (which was their only hope), but he should've seen at least some rotations coming when everyone was missing on the map. I guess he tried to shout "hey look at me, come kill me", so in a sense it worked, but they really didn't need more than 2 heroes to chase that Dazzle at any point in time. While on the topic of that game, really sucks losing a match you have 0 deaths on... Especially as a PL honestly, beyond me. And also, I felt the PL farmed very slowly, I don't remember the exact net worths now, but AM was 6 slotted, having eaten a moon shard, 5k+ gold at the end of game, and then there was the PL with like 3 items (Diffusal + Skadi + Manta I think?). | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:03 Kabras wrote: the whole team took a beating in the early game so puppey can farm the jungle, don't think it's w33's fault for not having any support against pl and es. misery could work on his hooks tho. good thing pld saved their asses in side lanes, that early game could have been a lot worse. Yeah i just looked at the game, you are right. Puppey was like only ten cs behind of w33haa, this explains everything. w33haa was godlike in g1. On September 23 2015 08:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Puppey and EE played solid all series, but man... Misery and PLD really disappointed me. Misery yes, pld no. pld played so fucking well, especially in game 1. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11089 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:08 goody153 wrote: now if only w33 gets somehow kicked/leaves and eg destroys itself again and we get artEEzy ! woooo ! (never gonna happen but idc i can dream) Zai RTZ return! Still sad that wasnt a thing. Still curious to see more of weeha. Biggest question mark for me is still whether Misery will be more than just solid. edit: Jesus forums are ruining my english. | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:22 Sn0_Man wrote: Why wud u wish that on artour? the dream man check out muh sig come on eg and secret can crumble for all i care as long as i get muh artEEzy On September 23 2015 11:58 Sabu113 wrote: Zai RTZ return! Still sad that wasnt a thing. Still curious to see more of weeha. Biggest question mark for me is still weather Misery will be more than just solid. i actually have faith in misery as support .. not sure about his offlane since i haven't seen that much but i know he is pretty solid | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
The statement that w33 played a bad game 2, reasoned with the argument "puppey had more" farm makes no sense to me. It was a clear and planned trade of secret to get puppey farm and prioritize the aghs. Just count, what w33 could get as farm, if he got support when ganks on mid happened or the stacks in the early game are on his side instead of ppys. He played a very good first and a very good second game. If you watch the fights he was the main factor why the earthshaker was shut down completly. Great play and perfect targeting and decision making. All the deaths of pld where planned too, they clearly traded the space for am for a supportkill. The rotations often forced up to three players to rotate. The aggressive split pushings could not get handled by NAVIs draft. (Keeper and 2 highly mobile heroes - clever draft) Only misery missplayed some hooks... this should not happen when they play against t1 teams in the future. .. but let s be honest, the samplesize now is 2. | ||
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Xendarii
327 Posts
On September 23 2015 08:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Puppey and EE played solid all series, but man... Misery and PLD really disappointed me. Holy shit, are you serious? PLD saved their asses in the early phase of game two with extremely important TP's and played a great Bounty Hunter in game one. He may have died a few times too often in game two, but all in all, his performance really surprised me in a positive way. Misery played a pretty bad second game, that's true. His first game was good though and that were only his two first officials as an offlaner for a long time (apart from those few games he played for Secret after TI4), give him some time to become familiar with his new role. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
EE did usual good AM things both games, and he's not delusional about it, so it's already good. w33 looked overall as well as Secret intend him to be. If he gets easy lane with easy line-up to snowball with, he is almost godlike. If he gets sacked in not so easy of lane (pl-es for example), he does look mediocre, but that's how it is with snowballing mids that get sacked completely. Misery should either spam 100 games of clock in pubs right now or rather play less skill-shot oriented heroes (thankfully clock is the only one in this patch, but hey, pudge will very likely be buffed again in 6.85). Either way, he has some place for improvement, but come on, he likely can improve.... right? Puppey somehow took the mantle of Aui_2000 way too literally, but he totally does that mantle good plus in those 2 games he naturally had heroes that can afford to solo split push a lane and still contribute somewhat in the game. And PLD... hey, that's the PLD we all remember. Brilliant, yet a blatant space creator (or tactical feeder, or plain feed, how you like). Overall.... It's a Team Secret with SpeedGaming.int flair, not exactly Team Secret with Puppey's usual flair (outside of kotol picks). | ||
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goody153
44282 Posts
anyways games tonight lets see if we see alliance in flames or Secret demolished by the NTH-reunited | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On September 23 2015 08:09 FiWiFaKi wrote: Puppey and EE played solid all series, but man... Misery and PLD really disappointed me. pld played very well imo, in game 2 he saved 2 lanes in 30 seconds with his lvl 1 dazzle, pretty sick imo | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
also w33 completely lost mid QoP vs Dendi's PL... i don't consider that a good thing at all; he recovered, but lets not be delusional,if it was a against a stronger team that wouldve likely lost them the game still early etc but the xfactor with this team is of course puppey | ||
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