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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On September 24 2015 02:19 rabidch wrote: also w33 completely lost mid QoP vs Dendi's PL... i don't consider that a good thing at all; he recovered, but lets not be delusional,if it was a against a stronger team that wouldve likely lost them the game QoP vs. PL is not an easy matchup for qop, PL can dodge shadow strike, and PMS makes qop right clicks irrelevant. On the other hand PL has a significant damage advantage and can spam lances. | ||
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Anamorph
236 Posts
Strong ppy as 4th position, pld played well and did the same job as before, w33 played rly good, ee was playing qop like he is playing am ;-) and misery rly got hudge problems with offlane plays. The Dark seer was not played good if you compare this to zai plays and the tusk was extremly bad played. In still believe in misery, he needs more training, a lot more. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
In the Tusk game he was against a pretty tough lane, it's not ease to contest a lane against a Gyro when there's also Naga net to hold you down. It wasn't too surprising that he ended up being very poor, but of course maybe you could expect better play from him in teamfights still. For example I can't recall snowball being used very effectively at all. But that said he was never the Tusk player in c9, I doubt he has much experience yet playing the hero and playing the fights correctly with him when underfarmed isn't the easiest thing. One thing that maybe Misery has to think about are his item builds. As far as I recall he went bottle on both Tusk and Clock even when he didn't have a very good lane for example. But item builds are also one thing that he will only figure out when he plays heroes more. Other players may do certain things you can copy, but still you also have to gain your own understanding through playing on what is good and when. In general I didn't really like the way the drafts worked in games 1 and 2. Though my understanding may be a bit off, maybe it could have been better if Secret had played a bit better in the lanes, but anyway in both games they were very restricted on what they could actually do in the game. Game 1 they had a very hard time contesting Alliance at all in fights, and they couldn't really pick important heroes off either until pretty late into the game. Game 2 they had a very hard time protecting their side of the map and getting farm, and Alliance had full control of both jungles for a long time. It was a pretty easy game to just start feeding the game away, I was pretty impressed that they even came back to it. Game 3 on the other hand they could put out a lot of pressure themselves, had good vision due to the Naga and Clock, and they could easily just farm up and initiate fights on their terms. | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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goody153
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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adzzlie
Korea (South)81 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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goody153
44237 Posts
On September 24 2015 23:55 adzzlie wrote: let's see how Secret works against VP later. i would put my money on VP as of the moment since Secret is relatively new also not sure if misery + ee are the part of old c9 that's the one who made calls in games where they almost went unbeatable against CIS teams .. either ways i'm kinda excited also it's said that even the loser of this match already qualified according to the secret tweet | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
On September 25 2015 01:32 goody153 wrote: i would put my money on VP as of the moment since Secret is relatively new also not sure if misery + ee are the part of old c9 is the one who made calls that demolishes CIS teams before .. either ways i'm kinda excited also it's said that even the loser of this match already qualified according to the secret tweet Puppey is a CIS slayer too. IDK, I think Secret have a good shot. It's their first "real" test, though. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On September 24 2015 23:41 goody153 wrote: Is it just me or misery offlane feels underwhelming like he's actually mediocre on the role ? Unlike his support was good idk it's too early to tell with little games they have atm. I thought his support play was more reliably stable than spectacular. His clock game was solid. He's no Zai though. Think Envy puppy though is a good foundation. | ||
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ViZe
United States1513 Posts
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goody153
44237 Posts
idk zai was doing really well at his DAC debut i even remember his puck who had ridiculously high CS at one game during the group stages | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
if he doesn't perform at the major very well I can see him getting cut. To win TI5 you need world class players and his offlaning so far hasn't even remotely been world class. EE has been playing some of the best I have ever seen him play tho. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
As far as EE goes imo one big difference compared to c9 is that he is actually given good lanes, the supports use resources to protect him and farm up themselves, and the team doesn't unnecessarily just force things only to start feeding. Compare this to c9 where EE was often handed a very difficult lane with the supports dual laning with bone7 or ganking mid for Fata. If you look at Secret know, they aren't ganking for Misery or w33 really at all early on. Instead the supports have been getting their own levels up or using time to give EE a head start. | ||
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goody153
44237 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
the real test for teams will be the winter major | ||
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
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spudde123
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