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SFDuality
United States1318 Posts
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Saki [NETOGE]
United States235 Posts
On November 23 2014 15:33 Froadac wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N5LUlZg.png) Hopefully this continues. Can I get Youtube vod? (Can't get streaming platforms other than Youtube) | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 23 2014 23:53 Daralii wrote: 2GD talked about the big difference during the first GD Meal. Players have no power at all in GGA contracts; they can't even leave the team of their own free will. At-will employment doesn't work in team sports. I think we've seen this in Dota many times. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 24 2014 02:59 FHDH wrote: At-will employment doesn't work in team sports. I think we've seen this in Dota many times. I don't see why it's even a big deal... You sign a contract saying you're working for X amount of time. Leaving before then means you're breaking a contract. Like, surprise, legal contracts are binding? I'm not sure what fields people are working in that signing a contract that explicitly states the length of employment actually means "whenever you feel like leaving". | ||
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Faruko
Chile34173 Posts
On November 24 2014 06:45 WolfintheSheep wrote: I don't see why it's even a big deal... You sign a contract saying you're working for X amount of time. Leaving before then means you're breaking a contract. Like, surprise, legal contracts are binding? I'm not sure what fields people are working in that signing a contract that explicitly states the length of employment actually means "whenever you feel like leaving". It depends on the country, while im not 100% sure, im pretty sure that here (at least) theres no contract that cant be "broken", at most you lose the compensantion | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:18 Faruko wrote: It depends on the country, while im not 100% sure, im pretty sure that here (at least) theres no contract that cant be "broken", at most you lose the compensantion Well, no contract is 100% binding, but there are generally consequences for breaking one. Generally some form of compensation for the company/organization. Also depends on how big the breach is, and how much the second party cares. Point is that "you can't leave before the specified time frame" is just something that doesn't even need to be stated explicitly. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:18 Faruko wrote: It depends on the country, while im not 100% sure, im pretty sure that here (at least) theres no contract that cant be "broken", at most you lose the compensantion It entirely depends on the terms of the contract. Many contracts come with heavy penalties including but not limited to the inability to move on to another organization in the same field (not limited to sports but extremely common). I mean look what happened with Old Man Team or whatever they called it: they could not compete in a certain competition because some of those players retired under contract. So yeah they could retire at will but they couldn't "retire" and then go play as a pro in a different team. I actually find it more weird when a team is "signed" without any kind of requirement in this way. See: what happened with Goblak. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:32 FHDH wrote: It entirely depends on the terms of the contract. Many contracts come with heavy penalties including but not limited to the inability to move on to another organization in the same field (not limited to sports but extremely common). I mean look what happened with Old Man Team or whatever they called it: they could not compete in a certain competition because some of those players retired under contract. So yeah they could retire at will but they couldn't "retire" and then go play as a pro in a different team. I actually find it more weird when a team is "signed" without any kind of requirement in this way. See: what happened with Goblak. Given that a lot of Esports contracts don't actually provide any benefits (and sometimes not even salary), it's not very surprising that they don't have restrictions. I imagine all the ones with actual money and benefits involved actually have full legalese. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 24 2014 07:35 WolfintheSheep wrote: Given that a lot of Esports contracts don't actually provide any benefits (and sometimes not even salary), it's not very surprising that they don't have restrictions. I imagine all the ones with actual money and benefits involved actually have full legalese. Yeah, I mean I know I wouldn't sign anything with such terms if there were not guaranteed benefits from the other party. But it should be no surprise that such things exist with legit organizations like GG and major Chinese orgs, etc. | ||
Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
The biggest case ever is probably artstyle owing 20k to Navi, and the best Navi could do was ask other teams not to sign him. Its also unfortunately common that smaller teams don't hold their end of the contract. Are you going to sue them for a few hundred dollars a month? It's just not feasible. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 24 2014 13:10 DucK- wrote: The amount of time and effort to enforce the contracts in different countries makes it unlikely that legal actions will be taken in esports. After all the damages is likely to be insignificant as compared to the costs of litigation, so there's little incentive to take action. That was 20k though. Unless the courts in Ukraine are horribly inefficient if you have a contract that explicitly states you will share X money and you don't, that's really very easy to at least get a judgment on. Enforcing payment is a different matter. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
On November 24 2014 13:37 FHDH wrote: That was 20k though. Unless the courts in Ukraine are horribly inefficient if you have a contract that explicitly states you will share X money and you don't, that's really very easy to at least get a judgment on. Enforcing payment is a different matter. Ah my context was simply on international teams like TT. I assume that for artstyle case, it should be pretty easy to handle since both parties are Ukrainian. But then again its up to how efficient the courts are there like you said. | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
I thought the team played really well, even on the last day, when we got completely outdrafted and outplayed by EG in both games, the team showed a good fight. The result against C9 was really nice. Might boost the team confidence. I really liked they picked more "roaming" heroes to qojqva and allowed only PJ to heavy farm. | ||
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Furikawari
France2522 Posts
On November 24 2014 19:32 cuckoo wrote: So, thought on the perfomance? I thought the team played really well, even on the last day, when we got completely outdrafted and outplayed by EG in both games, the team showed a good fight. The result against C9 was really nice. Might boost the team confidence. I really liked they picked more "roaming" heroes to qojqva and allowed only PJ to heavy farm. I felt like Qojqva did not performed that well this week. His puck was underwhelming yesterday, and several appearances on storm spirit were far from what he can show usually. Maybe this was due to some more lag compared to others that were all on LAN? | ||
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cuckoo
595 Posts
i even criticized his puck in the tournament thread. he fucked up a lot of combos and escapes. what i meant in the last post is that i liked they are not doing the "2 cores farming" anymore. so they can put up a good fight in the mid game | ||
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
On November 24 2014 20:49 cuckoo wrote: yea, qojqva had a bad week overall i even criticized his puck in the tournament thread. he fucked up a lot of combos and escapes. what i meant in the last post is that i liked they are not doing the "2 cores farming" anymore. so they can put up a good fight in the mid game Also he wasn't there in person. They said they had communication issues. Doesn't explain the puck issues but there were a few plays where he looked out of sync: easy to be if four people are there and you aren't. | ||
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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HotShizz
France710 Posts
On November 25 2014 20:30 hunter_x wrote: Does anybody know, if Ojqva will be there for the dreamhack Lan final? pretty sure I remember Sheever saying on the stream last weekend that he would be there for it. | ||
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