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On November 16 2014 04:32 Saki [NETOGE] wrote:Any other proof? Also, I love Windy, so I might get custom powershot eventually. So cool. I love blue and yellow together. I think SingSing should try to draft and captain, see what happens.
It could still be an Alliance item in the end. See the recent S4 batrider hat.
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On November 17 2014 13:02 kirsed wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2014 04:32 Saki [NETOGE] wrote:Any other proof? Also, I love Windy, so I might get custom powershot eventually. So cool. I love blue and yellow together. I think SingSing should try to draft and captain, see what happens. It could still be an Alliance item in the end. See the recent S4 batrider hat.
Set has Tinker logo on it.
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That first alliance v tinker game was hardly fun to watch.
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the first game against VP is how TT should play (at least with this lineup): qojqva roaming and Pajkatt farming
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Pajkatt's AM is pretty sick, It's kinda crazy how well pros farm these days.
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Alex Garfield confirmed that TT is part of GGA in his reddit AMA here
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N5LUlZg.png)
Hopefully this continues.
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he literally had an empty lane for ~20 minutes
not sure that makes his am sick
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On November 23 2014 15:59 wooozy wrote:
he literally had an empty lane for ~20 minutes
not sure that makes his am sick
Obviously they just need to force their opponents to be as retarded as C9 can be.
~5k MMR mechanics by one person aren't exactly a huge display of skill.
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On November 23 2014 17:50 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 15:59 wooozy wrote:
he literally had an empty lane for ~20 minutes
not sure that makes his am sick Obviously they just need to force their opponents to be as retarded as C9 can be. ~5k MMR mechanics by one person aren't exactly a huge display of skill.
Show me a 5k mmr player that gets 70 cs by 10 mins. I'm dying to see one.
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On November 23 2014 18:57 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 17:50 Daralii wrote:On November 23 2014 15:59 wooozy wrote:
he literally had an empty lane for ~20 minutes
not sure that makes his am sick Obviously they just need to force their opponents to be as retarded as C9 can be. ~5k MMR mechanics by one person aren't exactly a huge display of skill. Show me a 5k mmr player that gets 70 cs by 10 mins. I'm dying to see one.
csing on an empty lane isnt even difficult lol
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On November 23 2014 18:57 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 17:50 Daralii wrote:On November 23 2014 15:59 wooozy wrote:
he literally had an empty lane for ~20 minutes
not sure that makes his am sick Obviously they just need to force their opponents to be as retarded as C9 can be. ~5k MMR mechanics by one person aren't exactly a huge display of skill. Show me a 5k mmr player that gets 70 cs by 10 mins. I'm dying to see one.
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it was a completely empty lane lol
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Did you even read the AMA? I think he answered it pretty well:
"In general, I think that people who label us as "monopolizing" things are trying to guess the answer to the wrong question. They're trying to answer the question of, "What is this company doing in signing these players?" rather than trying to answer the question of, "Why are all of these players signing with this company?"
There's a really big difference between those two questions, and in my opinion it's the second question that everyone should be asking. And I think that if you focus on the second question rather than the first, you can actually start to tackle the core issues in the situation, which are mainly related to the fact that not enough team and talent organizations treat players properly. In my opinion, that is the real issue here.
I had an interesting conversation with the owner of another team/multi-game organization this past summer at DreamHack, in which he essentially said to me, "You know, if you guys were to add another Dota team, I don't know if I'd be comfortable with that." And my response was, "If we were going out into the market and offering outrageous salaries to lure players out of healthy relationships with their team organizations, then I would understand your point. But if a team or player comes to us and genuinely wants to work with us, I would unapologetically make the decision to support that team."
If you assume that the players who are signing with us are intelligent and capable of making good decisions, then it logically follows that they're signing with us for a reason. And I think that, rather than tin-foil-hatting about the fact that we work with three Dota teams instead of two, people should be asking why the level of player support in this industry is, on average, so mediocre."
AND:
"I haven't made a Dota roster decision in almost a year. Charlie works with EG, Kelly works with Alliance, and Brian and Mario work with Tinker. What I do is support the structure, enable the players and management, and make sure everyone's being treated properly. To be honest, the concept of the powerful, iron-fisted, eSports team owner who's playing around with rosters and wheeling and dealing players: it's kind of a fucking myth, in my opinion at least. There are probably a few exceptions, but for the most part, I think it's a myth. In my opinion, a good team owner listens to and supports his or her players. And weighs in with an opinion when it's requested or necessary. So that's my philosophy, and the TL;DR of how we support these different teams is that they're effectively their own units within the organization. I'm pretty far removed from day-to-day interactions with players at this point. So unfortunately, there are no more Skype logs forthcoming. Not that I'm admitting those were real. Or anything.
Anyway, back to the alleged collusion issue: given my overall philosophy on how to work with players, and given the structure of our company, I can tell you guys with a very straight face that we're one of the last places everyone should be looking for that stuff to come from. I mean, again, I encourage you guys to look at things from the player's perspective: the teams we support signed, and then re-upped with us, knowing that we'd be working with multiple teams. The players themselves know that we are supporting more than two teams, and they chose to work with us.
I understand the collusion concern, in theory, but in practice I think there are many reasons to believe that we are one of the least likely candidates to be the source of this kind of problem."
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I don't know if people remember this, but 2GD wanted to be in a similar role at one point when SingSing was living with them. He wanted to be kind of a player agent that connects players with sponsors and then take a back seat. It sounds like that's what Garfield is doing.
That said, there's a lot of bullshit that goes on in esports and esports teams (dig, navi'us, etc.) from the owner side so I can see why teams want to go to a big sponsor.
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On November 23 2014 23:47 Count9 wrote:
I don't know if people remember this, but 2GD wanted to be in a similar role at one point when SingSing was living with them. He wanted to be kind of a player agent that connects players with sponsors and then take a back seat. It sounds like that's what Garfield is doing.
That said, there's a lot of bullshit that goes on in esports and esports teams (dig, navi'us, etc.) from the owner side so I can see why teams want to go to a big sponsor.
2GD talked about the big difference during the first GD Meal. Players have no power at all in GGA contracts; they can't even leave the team of their own free will.
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On November 23 2014 23:53 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 23:47 Count9 wrote:
I don't know if people remember this, but 2GD wanted to be in a similar role at one point when SingSing was living with them. He wanted to be kind of a player agent that connects players with sponsors and then take a back seat. It sounds like that's what Garfield is doing.
That said, there's a lot of bullshit that goes on in esports and esports teams (dig, navi'us, etc.) from the owner side so I can see why teams want to go to a big sponsor. 2GD talked about the big difference during the first GD Meal. Players have no power at all in GGA contracts; they can't even leave the team of their own free will.
Thats quite terrible
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On November 23 2014 23:53 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 23:47 Count9 wrote:
I don't know if people remember this, but 2GD wanted to be in a similar role at one point when SingSing was living with them. He wanted to be kind of a player agent that connects players with sponsors and then take a back seat. It sounds like that's what Garfield is doing.
That said, there's a lot of bullshit that goes on in esports and esports teams (dig, navi'us, etc.) from the owner side so I can see why teams want to go to a big sponsor. 2GD talked about the big difference during the first GD Meal. Players have no power at all in GGA contracts; they can't even leave the team of their own free will.
isn't like that in any sports? if you sign a contract and you want to "break" it you have to pay.
i don't see how that's horrible. that's just how it works
and i believe most of this contracts must be 1 year long, which isn't that much
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On November 24 2014 01:06 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2014 23:53 Daralii wrote:On November 23 2014 23:47 Count9 wrote:
I don't know if people remember this, but 2GD wanted to be in a similar role at one point when SingSing was living with them. He wanted to be kind of a player agent that connects players with sponsors and then take a back seat. It sounds like that's what Garfield is doing.
That said, there's a lot of bullshit that goes on in esports and esports teams (dig, navi'us, etc.) from the owner side so I can see why teams want to go to a big sponsor. 2GD talked about the big difference during the first GD Meal. Players have no power at all in GGA contracts; they can't even leave the team of their own free will. Thats quite terrible
Of all provisions, the inclusion of a non-disclosure agreement is the worst. I bet it's there though.
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