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On February 11 2015 03:46 bagels21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 02:12 lookfirewood wrote:On February 11 2015 01:56 Hoenicker wrote:On February 10 2015 23:50 drusalnik wrote:
Not a single person in the team at the moment deserves a shot at ti5.
They have been playing so bad 3-4months before ti4 and it has gone to even worse state.
Mentally this team is weak also their skillcap is reached the game is on a new level now they stopped improving they aint going to ti5 unless they get invited they wont be able to qualify this team isn't even t2 now. I see this spreader of joy has found the Alliance thread. Enjoy! With so little punctuation I cudn't even understand what he wrote. LD team threads are like joindota these days. There are always going to be 1-2 trolls that come into a thread and just try to annoy the hell out of every fan of the team/player. It is what it is; on the C9 thread I just decided to ignore them
I did laugh at "is it edible?"
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On February 11 2015 05:40 Zea! wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2015 23:59 DucK- wrote:
Shows you how important s4 was to the team. Almost everything was on s4. Guy slumped and alliance did bad in ti4. s4 was the best and most important player of the team without doubts but Icefrog contributed in [A] slump destroying their playstyle and heroes (Furion, LD, Enchantress, Puck, Chen are all bottom in the dotabuff winrate).
They should have adapted by now. You can only blame balance patches for the start of their slump after ti3, but anything after that is just them not adapting. I really hope alliance can get it together though because i don't think TI will be the same without them.
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Bulldog was using alliance HUD yesterday when he streamed. Not sure if he was trolling or meaby hes coming back.
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On February 11 2015 16:49 Bastank wrote:
Bulldog was using alliance HUD yesterday when he streamed. Not sure if he was trolling or meaby hes coming back.
This might be a swing in the right direction. Loda needs a break, said so himself, so alliance needs a carry? Admiralbulldog carry? ABC? Who knows at this point. Tbh I doubt they do themselves...
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It's a really rough time for Alliance, both as a fan and a player. It's becoming clear that they need some major overhauls, not just gradually losing people then signing on stand ins to play for a while, then having others come back, etc.
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So with Black available there is a chance for 1. Black 2 Pajkatt 3. Loda 4. EGM 5. Akke
Loda has played offlane before.
He actually doesn't like to play carry, but he often have to because he is the best player in the team and carry is the most important role. But if they get Black, Black can take the carry role and Loda can get some easier games by being offlaner.
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On February 15 2015 11:12 MidnightFox wrote:
he is the best player in the team and carry is the most important role..
eh.
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Carry is loda best role. He isn't good at offlane, even in zenith. Iceiceice also remarked that maybe he should have played offlane, hyhy mid, and loda carry during zenith, but hindsight is 20/20.
The last thing alliance needs is another player that can't create space.
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On February 15 2015 11:12 MidnightFox wrote:
So with Black available there is a chance for 1. Black 2 Pajkatt 3. Loda 4. EGM 5. Akke
Loda has played offlane before.
He actually doesn't like to play carry, but he often have to because he is the best player in the team and carry is the most important role. But if they get Black, Black can take the carry role and Loda can get some easier games by being offlaner.
That doesn't make sense at all... the carry position is by far the easiest to play, offlane is much more difficult, especially in competitive Dota.
Also, some kind of source for your statement would be good. How do you know that Loda "doesn't like to play carry"? If that were the case, he could've switches roles with Bulldog when they started to struggle heavily.
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Playing the carry role is arguably the easiest but even that depends on the team and player playstyle since some carries play defensively (sylar/loda/burning/illidan) who they get a good lead and there are aggressive ones who farm the more dangerous parts of the map like the enemy jungle or start the lane against a contested lane. (rtz/EE/Hao/xboct).
Some players can support but can't play farming role well .. some players can carry but can't support and some can play the playmaking role with farm and some can't without farm.
So it's not that carry is easier to play. Some can play carry better and enjoy playing carry than other some play better and enjoy playing support. And it's a teamgame everybody contributes for the win.
On February 15 2015 11:50 DucK- wrote:
Carry is loda best role. He isn't good at offlane, even in zenith. Iceiceice also remarked that maybe he should have played offlane, hyhy mid, and loda carry during zenith, but hindsight is 20/20.
The last thing alliance needs is another player that can't create space.
yeah iceiceice said that if the team didn't decide that he was going to carry and let loda carry .. zenith would have probably worked out fine
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Bulldog and sing are still contacted under gga, chances are A will roster change again. I think sing might work well for them as a space creating mid, and bulldog back in offlane with akke and egm support. perhaps.
another possiblity is that they make another team under gga, if tt has been bought out. We'll see...
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On February 15 2015 19:46 Hoenicker wrote:
Bulldog and sing are still contacted under gga, chances are A will roster change again. I think sing might work well for them as a space creating mid, and bulldog back in offlane with akke and egm support. perhaps.
Idk about that since bulldog is a ricing type of offlane. Well he did play spacemaking before but that was when alliance could cover his weaknesses.
Bone7 said during his C9/speedgaming days he and pld was creating the most space for sing and aui_2000. So idk about that space creating in a sense like how s4/dendi space creates.
If i think about it sing did play alot of heroes with a weird power curve (alchemist/mirana/ember) where he the hero needs to farm at certain point like ember cause they weaken.
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I remember sing roaming a lot and ganking. He really likes going for kills, thats really all he cares about. Not a farmer really, in that sense I think he provided more space, except occasionally when they would draft a farm heavy hero for him, like meepo, or ember. even then though, he preffered fighting early and a lot as ember too.
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I should have written that the carry role is the most important to the team and not the hardest.
It is by far the most important in the team. How many times haven't we seen that the rest of the teams sucks but the carry wins the game all by himself. Eg with a Nagasiren.
A support can play perfectly but you can only do so much without farm, so in the lategame when the game is decided it is much more important that the carry plays well than the support does.
I don't remember when I heard Loda would like to play something else than carry, it might even be that I have imagined it. I have been a Loda fanboy for 10 years now.
Loda often played heroes where he was 2. and Bulldog was 1. Often Loda would play Ursa, Riki, Slark and farm for 8-10 min and then go ganking and Bulldog would go into the jungle.
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On February 15 2015 20:03 MidnightFox wrote:
I should have written that the carry role is the most important to the team and not the hardest.
It is by far the most important in the team. How many times haven't we seen that the rest of the teams sucks but the carry wins the game all by himself. Eg with a Nagasiren.
A support can play perfectly but you can only do so much without farm, so in the lategame when the game is decided it is much more important that the carry plays well than the support does.
I don't remember when I heard Loda would like to play something else than carry, it might even be that I have imagined it. I have been a Loda fanboy for 10 years now.
Loda often played heroes where he was 2. and Bulldog was 1. Often Loda would play Ursa, Riki, Slark and farm for 8-10 min and then go ganking and Bulldog would go into the jungle.
It really depends on the Meta , and even then i dont agree with your call , Support has space to farm these days and make hugh plays and winning games they need to have pristine positioning (as they die so fast) unlike a carry that in late game everyone runs around him casting defensive skills on him and trying to protect him at all cost.
Dota is a team game , and if your support sucks you will have a mega farmed team against you and your carry will do jack shit.
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On February 15 2015 20:03 MidnightFox wrote:
I should have written that the carry role is the most important to the team and not the hardest.
It is by far the most important in the team. How many times haven't we seen that the rest of the teams sucks but the carry wins the game all by himself. Eg with a Nagasiren.
A support can play perfectly but you can only do so much without farm, so in the lategame when the game is decided it is much more important that the carry plays well than the support does.
I don't remember when I heard Loda would like to play something else than carry, it might even be that I have imagined it. I have been a Loda fanboy for 10 years now.
Loda often played heroes where he was 2. and Bulldog was 1. Often Loda would play Ursa, Riki, Slark and farm for 8-10 min and then go ganking and Bulldog would go into the jungle.
not really ..
like i said all roles are important but supports also can win the game alone.
There are a lot of scenario especially for the strongest teams in the world at one point where they win games solely due to supports + mid/offlane that sometimes they win games with 4v5 or 3v5. (e.g VG/DK 2013).
The carry just secures the win for the team.
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On February 15 2015 20:03 MidnightFox wrote:
Loda often played heroes where he was 2. and Bulldog was 1. Often Loda would play Ursa, Riki, Slark and farm for 8-10 min and then go ganking and Bulldog would go into the jungle.
That's the 1 carry role as well...
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On February 15 2015 21:09 DucK- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 20:03 MidnightFox wrote:
Loda often played heroes where he was 2. and Bulldog was 1. Often Loda would play Ursa, Riki, Slark and farm for 8-10 min and then go ganking and Bulldog would go into the jungle. That's the 1 carry role as well...
1-5 is about farm priority, not laning. Currently, mids are regularly played as 1's while safe lane farmers are 2's. Alliance definitely used to solo Bulldog but play him as the 1 a bunch.
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On February 15 2015 21:36 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 21:09 DucK- wrote:On February 15 2015 20:03 MidnightFox wrote:
Loda often played heroes where he was 2. and Bulldog was 1. Often Loda would play Ursa, Riki, Slark and farm for 8-10 min and then go ganking and Bulldog would go into the jungle. That's the 1 carry role as well... 1-5 is about farm priority, not laning. Currently, mids are regularly played as 1's while safe lane farmers are 2's. Alliance definitely used to solo Bulldog but play him as the 1 a bunch.
Semantics. I could also say that often bulldog ends up 2nd highest networth after loda. Does it make him position 2 instead of s4? Nope. Safeland and midlane are so similar that it's ok if you call the safelaner position 2, like how s4 plays now (and fear then). Offlane is just so different however.
And even then we talk about farm priority. Loda always had the top priority early on. Bulldog NEVER gets the priority. He always play catchup. Also, Loda never plays tempo controllers at safelane. Slark/Riki/Ursa are still technically carry heroes.
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This is getting slighly out of proportion. =/
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