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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On March 04 2016 23:30 kishill wrote: why brew.... WHY... I just hate this hero and i hate it for s4... even when he played very well but i hate this hero with this meta... but gl to col wp When I saw brew in the draft i felt like "fuck, it's over...", but looking at bans they banned alot of s4 heroes. Not many heroes left for him so brew for control/playmaking was a good choice, but was long ago they did well with him... But what got to me the most was the rosh fight... they didn't need aegis, they didn't need rosh, they wud've made it even if they let rosh go to NiP (i mean col), and just fought through it when they had CDs and tanking items... so sad... that was the throw of the game. Yargh... getting emo over this and I hate it!  | ||
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WakaDoDo
Sweden1183 Posts
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On March 04 2016 23:36 lookfirewood wrote: When I saw brew in the draft i felt like "fuck, it's over...", but looking at bans they banned alot of s4 heroes. Not many heroes left for him so brew for control/playmaking was a good choice, but was long ago they did well with him... But what got to me the most was the rosh fight... they didn't need aegis, they didn't need rosh, they wud've made it even if they let rosh go to NiP (i mean col), and just fought through it when they had CDs and tanking items... so sad... that was the throw of the game. Yargh... getting emo over this and I hate it! Agreed such a bad call , but hey in TI3 Navi made a dumb call that won them the game , so you cant alway be on the "smart" side , too bad they went for it , they had the game won , also they shouldve used Zeus more i feel S4 is a killer with it. | ||
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Nomzter
Sweden2802 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On March 05 2016 01:56 GumBa wrote: What mid would have been better for s4 that game guys and wasn't banned. Qop maybe`? From what was left in the pool for s4 I think brew was fine. They didn't need damage (qop or zeus), but needed tempo control. But it feels like such a lackluster early midgame when they have spectre and a jungle dark seer. I dunno... | ||
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Zea!
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hunter_x
Germany2762 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
They played pretty well, and I though to myself it would be a shame either team dropping out. | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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Yurie
12126 Posts
On March 05 2016 09:30 DucK- wrote: This is the kind of game where a jungler is too greedy. You have a shit lane with spectre, so you have 1 support permanently there. The mid lane has to be self sufficient, but given that the enemy has od + mirana I'd any there's no room for a jungler A zeus could work mid against that. Never enter into range for the OD to remove you. Even if you lose the lane it isn't a big deal when considering it is 1v2. Problem then is that everything is on the back of DS for initiation, which wouldn't work. The NP would need to change in that regard as well. I am of the opinion that banning OD first phase was what Alliance should have done, would have removed the entire problem for a different and easier to solve one. | ||
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kishill
Switzerland67 Posts
On March 05 2016 06:22 Zea! wrote: This hurts, but we'll soon bounce b[A]ck as always, just a bad day, have faith in the boys and they'll deliver again soon, as someone already said, we' re coming there, step by step. We'll always be behind you, no matter what!! [A] <3 i was hoping for qop... because its S4 qop and u could go other strong lane control support or pressure with ds offlane everything was open i thought iwas too greedy with np, but i am no pro so | ||
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
anyone know next tournament A is gonna play? | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
AAHAHAHAH :D | ||
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Tesgah
Norway71 Posts
I love that S4 is such a great tempo controller, but I feel it is a weakness that he is unable to play the OP meta mids like Invoker, OD and DP. It makes it easier to ban against A, especially since Bulldog's hero is often picked during the first phase (Bulldog being the only other player on A that gets a lot of targeted bans excluding Akke's Chen and Ench). But I still enjoyed this tournament! Thanks for the show, boys Alliance will be back! | ||
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DucK-
Singapore11447 Posts
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lookfirewood
1212 Posts
On March 07 2016 01:57 DucK- wrote: I don't think s4 can't play invoker od DP. It's more like alliance have a style that doesn't involve those heroes. I feel like they need to have the possibility to fall back on that. Getting high. Impact, low farm offlane or safelane for ABD/loda so s4 can go farm intense mids. I'm sure they can, they just have to trust it. | ||
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Zea!
9589 Posts
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sang
United States251 Posts
I think the bigger problem throughout the major was how weak Alliance's lanes were and their early game play overall. Akke is very good on Chen and Enchantress, but they pretty much asked him to carry their early laning stage by himself numerous times. A lot of the early aggression and strong lanes we saw in Captain's Draft and Starladder just didn't happen in Shanghai. Their entire early game rotations and movement just felt very off during the main event. Additionally, in that series against Complexity, they seemed to forget how to play against Whisp. That blunder in Game 3 where coL bought back on OD and relocated back into the rosh pit once Whisp respawned was extremely sloppy and a greedy call for them to try to sneak in. Alliance has done that exact move countless times to other teams, I was shocked they tried to go for it, especially when the game was almost back to even at that point. | ||
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