Na`Vi Discussion - Page 215

On December 28 2016 00:21 Faruko wrote:
Ive always liked pajkatt and rmn, i dont knwo about biver tho

To be honest, i think super ultra top tier playes do nt mean a shit in dota, you need a good captain and players that can follow that lead (see OG)

On December 28 2016 00:21 Faruko wrote:
Ive always liked pajkatt and rmn, i dont knwo about biver tho

To be honest, i think super ultra top tier playes do nt mean a shit in dota, you need a good captain and players that can follow that lead (see OG)

On December 28 2016 03:37 Rebs wrote:


uhh which one of OG's players isnt top tier?

On December 28 2016 05:08 Racket wrote:

I guess you missed the times when n0tail and Fly for instance weren't at the top, which is almost their whole career expect OG onwards

I don't want to get into an opinion's war but you gotta accept that they were good before OG but just not as good as everyone else. Not talking about potential but achievement.

On December 28 2016 08:09 Rebs wrote:


You meannn like in Secret ? Righttt....

Notail was always considered one of the best micro players in the world period. Maybe not to fans but it was common opinion among pro's. Fly is pretty much Puppey level skill. Puppey is very specific in his skillsets similar to fly.

Also you are confusing elite players with champions. So you are basically wrong. No need to start an opinion war.

On December 28 2016 19:58 DucK- wrote:
Fly was a mediocre player skill wise and still is now. He makes up with it by playing simple heroes and contributing in macro/drafts, and that's what makes him valuable. His days as simba was nothing but a joke. I wouldn't consider him to be equal to puppey skill wise even now, and that says a lot considering puppey isn't that good himself.

Notail was good in micro and probably still is. He was also an effective playmaking support. Definitely good enough #4 in any top team. As a core though, he is still solid at best despite his success with OG.

I think both of them were let down by their cores, and thus couldn't have any real results in fnatic. There's only so much you can do with Trixi/era in your team, and h4nni is pretty average too. I think fly's drafting prowess can be seen during the xcalibur days. They had a very good run with the lineup, using pretty much just 3 main strategies: 4pMeepo, 4pTinker and Io-Tiny. But Era happened, and then they had to play standard again.

On December 28 2016 17:10 Racket wrote:

Dude, they were good, they were never top tier. Fly's run in Secret was pretty short and not really successful, n0tail got the boot as they began to do good. What are you talking about?

I am not saying they are bad, just that they are good players but they achieved almost nothing prior to OG. If you wanna call rights and wrongs then explain yourself better.

You can use top tier two ways:
- They are the best players skill-wise
--- You can't put Miracle and Fly/n0tail in the same bag, they may be good but not at the same level of execution. Period.
- They are the best players title-wise
--- You can't put Puppey and Fly/n0tail in the same bag prior to OG, even as of now they won less titles than Puppey, and they have a long way to go until they do that. Period.

If you wanna play the smart guy you gotta step up.

On December 28 2016 21:30 Racket wrote:

I agree.

What do you think of the new lineup? I really miss ArtStyle, even more than Sonneiko.

On December 28 2016 23:59 Rebs wrote:


There is a difference between best player and elite player. The best is a very small bracket. Elite is a much larger bracket.

You literally compared them to the very best in both terms.Also your standards are all over the place. You compare them skillwise to players after the OG era and you compare them title wise to people who were at the very top in terms of success.

Secondly your standards for top tier is very narrow. If you are playing consistently in top level tournaments and placing decently you are top tier.

I dont have to play the smart guy, or step up to anything because you insist on walking in a ditch. Didnt want to start an opinion war, except when you did..

On December 29 2016 00:36 DucK- wrote:


Not a fan. I predict a non-navi navi, just like PSM days. Gonna be painful to watch. There will be no more davai or yolo, just standard split push european dota. I don't think pajkatt has what it takes to create a distinct style for navi, so it's gonna be just about doing meta things.

I like rmn though. And yea, I hope the hallowed one regains his motivation to lead navi again.

On December 29 2016 00:43 Racket wrote:

You came and questioned who isn't top tier in OG. You questioned the top tier standard of someone without even stating yours.

When facing an argument that clearly shows how both Fly and n0tail after almost 3 years (no counting HoN of course) of playing professionally, achieved (in comparison to other more achieved players) close to nothing before OG (hahah 3 months in Secret count so much), you period me with some half assed answer like n0tail was ALWAYS brought up as a standard of high skilled player, when he actually begun to shine on Secret with his ES plays (he was always known for his Io), I can't even remember any interview or panel that mentioned him when he wasn't playing that specific series.
Yes n0tail plays quite well. I am one of the few who likes him and defends him in this site, that doesn't mean he was always regarded as top tier before joining OG.

If top tier isn't for you as narrow as it is for me then fine. But don't go like your standard is the same as everyone's. I took the time to state mine at least, you could do the same.

I don't even know what your point is. Are you implying Pajkatt+Dendi+GeneRaL aren't top tier? Are you saying rmN- and Biver are? Because it seems you only came to post empty words. Either contribute or troll better. The original post implied you can form a top tier team even if you don't hire top tier players. Whether your standard matches the OP or not, has nothing to do with his point.


And it will last a year if the organization is actually serious about this.

On December 29 2016 02:27 Rebs wrote:


the point was obvious. I was pointing out that the post was using invalid examples to make the case, not that the case was invalid in of itself.

Or are you seriously telling me that RMN and some rando fall into the same bracket as Fnatic Fly and Notail ?

You didnt really spell out your criteria initially either so dont high horse me. When you spelled it out so did I.

I guess you missed the times when n0tail and Fly for instance weren't at the top, which is almost their whole career expect OG onwards

I don't want to get into an opinion's war but you gotta accept that they were good before OG but just not as good as everyone else. Not talking about potential but achievement.

On December 29 2016 05:36 Faruko wrote:
Ad Finem got to a majors final, DC to TI

theres no telling untill they play and find their groove

On December 29 2016 06:31 Racket wrote:

Yep, I just want to enjoy some Dota games. I really miss watching them.

On December 29 2016 08:51 the bear jew wrote:


Same. Wonder when first match is.

On December 29 2016 21:52 DucK- wrote:
If this lineup doesn't play navi aggressive dota, I don't see myself rooting for them.

On December 30 2016 02:56 Racket wrote:

ArtStyle come baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!