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I just checked the pick and bans for spectre, it is neither the most contested hero nor the most banned/picked.
Groupe stage: pick: 27 (44.44% win-rate), bans:25, for a total of 52 games where either banned or picked.
Now let's talk about the most contested heroes (either pick or ban):
Enchantress : pick ; 21 (66.67% win-rate), bans: 118
Weaver : pick ; 51 (56.83% win-rate), bans 86.
Other notable pick: Mirana 61 picks with over 60% win-rate, (for more detailed information check dota buff)
As you can see, spectre pick-ban rate in the group stage was quite low, it wasn't the most contested nor had the highest win-rate.
As for the main event:
it was picked 8 times with (87.50%), ban 18, same with the group stage it wasn't a very contested hero, 3 of those were from OG , EG, 2 times (one of them being the only lost game), PSG.LGD, Optic and Minesky.
The stats, speak for themselves, it's true that due to change to BB no longer reducing the gold gained, spectre BB-haunt combo is buffed, as for the current meta which emphasis on winning the lanning phase, spectre doesn't fit really well in. as for the Nerf, it may be nerved, or it may not, however I'm predicting a change to come-back mechanic or Buy-back. which may affect spectre indirectly
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i love how some of hardcore EG fan are raged and saying EG should have won game 3 but noone wants to talk about and game 2 where OG was with rax advantage and winning and 1 team fight later they were losing, so if that didnt happen then EG would have gone home 0-2 so take all the facts in. Now the matter of fact to be addressed here is that nobody is perfect, they are pros sure but they make mistake and they learn from it, EG did well, saying they threw any game is not fair to any team, nobody throws a games in TI , they play under enormous pressure and mistake happens and that does not make it a throw, blaming is easy but first try to achieve even 10% of what those players have and then u will understand. EG lost cause they could not play as well. LGD played out of their minds and OG played a game of their own and nobody was ready for it. the fact is there will always be someone winning and someone losing , u cant expect any team to keep winning 1 after the other.
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seems like the thread needs this
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EG likely staying together, which is great; there's no kneejerk reaction to kick someone or leave.
Should put EG in the echelon of Liquid, VP, LGD in the upcoming season
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On September 04 2018 20:04 Gaial wrote:
EG likely staying together, which is great; there's no kneejerk reaction to kick someone or leave.
Should put EG in the echelon of Liquid, VP, LGD in the upcoming season
interesting u didnt mention OG
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Well OG is clearly in a tier of their own
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On September 05 2018 00:30 wims80 wrote:
Well OG is clearly in a tier of their own
u mean the Anti-Meta tier ? XD
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On September 05 2018 00:14 warrior4093 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2018 20:04 Gaial wrote:
EG likely staying together, which is great; there's no kneejerk reaction to kick someone or leave.
Should put EG in the echelon of Liquid, VP, LGD in the upcoming season interesting u didnt mention OG
I don't think OG are particularly good. I think OG had as much of a good tournament as VP had a bad one.
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The problem with og i feel might be their depth, or rather lack thereof.
Their style matched perfectly against eg and lgd, and they had a great few days playing very well.
I dont quite trust that they can keep it up and still win after thet have been analysed and figured out.
They also had the advantage of being quite likely dismissed by everyone as a contender and teams might have not prepared for them (as much).
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Let's keep in mind, that is statistically far more likely for OG to fall into a slump after their victory than for them to succeed. Actually Liquid were the first one for years that didn't completely fall off after winning TI. But anyhow, I thought this thread is about our boys in blue rather than OG .... 
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I'm just waiting for an RTZ stream at this moment, but he's probably on vacation or sth
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Have you guys seen the cr1t push on N0tail? What a prick
I always assumed he's a cool guy but he came off as a giant Douche
And yeah saying OG aren't good enough is a joke, and they have a high ceiling ahead of them as topson gets his off performances better and better. It's anyone's guess who'll come on top with the scene so close together this DPC
EG liquid Og Lgd VP are a pretty safe bet to get TOP8 consistently
I think fly and s4 have a good shot at steering the 3 hotheads and this be a stable EG for a full season
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On September 05 2018 23:24 Madhoof wrote:Let's keep in mind, that is statistically far more likely for OG to fall into a slump after their victory than for them to succeed. Actually Liquid were the first one for years that didn't completely fall off after winning TI. But anyhow, I thought this thread is about our boys in blue rather than OG ....
Reason to discuss OG in this tread:
1) Some douche said EG could be top tier compared them to other team without naming the TI champs OG, and obvious provocation that got responses.
2) OG was the team that knocked EG down to lower bracket,
3) 60% of EG current members are former members of OG.
4) EG took OG best players before TI.
5) N0tail and Fly relationship or end of it.
6) OG and EG played one of most epic matches i ever seen.
7) Cr1t bumping into N0tail drama accident or not.
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On September 06 2018 06:02 Sapaio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2018 23:24 Madhoof wrote:Let's keep in mind, that is statistically far more likely for OG to fall into a slump after their victory than for them to succeed. Actually Liquid were the first one for years that didn't completely fall off after winning TI. But anyhow, I thought this thread is about our boys in blue rather than OG .... Reason to discuss OG in this tread: 1) Some douche said EG could be top tier compared them to other team without naming the TI champs OG, and obvious provocation that got responses.
Ironic. I gave my reason for OG unexpectedly winning over the span of half a week; there's no need to flame.
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On September 06 2018 22:00 Gaial wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2018 06:02 Sapaio wrote:On September 05 2018 23:24 Madhoof wrote:Let's keep in mind, that is statistically far more likely for OG to fall into a slump after their victory than for them to succeed. Actually Liquid were the first one for years that didn't completely fall off after winning TI. But anyhow, I thought this thread is about our boys in blue rather than OG .... Reason to discuss OG in this tread: 1) Some douche said EG could be top tier compared them to other team without naming the TI champs OG, and obvious provocation that got responses. Ironic. I gave my reason for OG unexpectedly winning over the span of half a week; there's no need to flame.
i dont think u know how the word 'ironic' is used and 2nd he wasnt flaming u, he was merely stating the obvious and if EG are so good why they didnt win Unexpectedly ? as u can see EG also had 2 new members 1 of which is captain which can change play styles , no team knew how to prepare for EG either, yet EG could not beat OG or LGD so u see why OG is far better than EG. If u wana say certain team is bad , have the facts ready to support it.
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User was warned for this post
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Yeah Crit bumped into Notail's shoulder, clearly he hates him and was trying to murder the beautiful OG flower
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On September 06 2018 23:38 PoulsenB wrote:
Yeah Crit bumped into Notail's shoulder, clearly he hates him and was trying to murder the beautiful OG flower
I agree with you fully, he's lucky he wasn't penalised during TI!
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People are way too hungry for drama. It's not healthy.
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On September 05 2018 21:55 sCuMBaG wrote:
The problem with og i feel might be their depth, or rather lack thereof.
Their style matched perfectly against eg and lgd, and they had a great few days playing very well.
I dont quite trust that they can keep it up and still win after thet have been analysed and figured out.
They also had the advantage of being quite likely dismissed by everyone as a contender and teams might have not prepared for them (as much).
Teams had plenty of time to prepare for them. The problem is sometimes, in reality the preparations aren't enough. Shit happens in Dota. OG was the best team at TI without a question.
There was a strong meta already and they couldn't remove all of OGs comfort picks and leave dangerous meta hero in the pool either. Same reason pass TI winners won. The winners usually have some insane drafting advantage. Wings were impossible to ban. EG made CDEC waste bans on techies and weren't afraid of the most broken hero at the meta Lesh. Liquid forced Newbee to ban every single GH hero and it wasn't enough. LGD had to deal with all the strong meta heros and then OGs spec and Topsons random heros.
OG and all the other teams had to adapt to meta that was changing as the days went on. OG were more unorthodox and ignored a lot of meta trends and won.
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