EPTOn August 06 2015 21:35 Faruko wrote:
c9 Tucker
c9 Bangfish
c9 Tucker
c9 Bangfish
That would only be amusing if we would have Comm streams
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TheNewEra
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That would only be amusing if we would have Comm streams | ||
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caiovigg
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On August 07 2015 04:16 TheNewEra wrote: But in complete seriousness. I believe if we will see roster changes depends actually more on teams like EG and Secret than on C9 themselves. Even if people love to hate on single players of C9 there are not a lot of players who can improve the squad, who aren't on EG, Secret or CIS teams. With this said I can actually totally see them going with 0-1 changes but getting a "real" coach. If we will really see big changes to the team, in form of 3-4 players changing, depends on the next after-TI, pre-major shuffle and which players will be available. moonmeander. | ||
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GiveMeYourtTots
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StarVe
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On August 06 2015 21:35 Faruko wrote: c9 Tucker c9 Bangfish Hopefully it goes better than the last Bangfish standin match I remember. :D | ||
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TheNewEra
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On August 07 2015 04:55 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: I just hope fata ends up on a team worthy of his skill. He probably is currently | ||
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TheNewEra
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I don't think moonmeander and EE would go to well but maybe Moon has changed. No clue. | ||
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bagels21
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On August 07 2015 05:24 TheNewEra wrote: I don't think moonmeander and EE would go to well but maybe Moon has changed. No clue. yeah no; also I don't think EE would drop bone for moon and FATA > moon in mid | ||
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Greenbeen
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Its just such a badly put together team, eternalenvy is an incredibly successful captain and leader compared to most but this is just proof that players shouldnt decide on rosters and it should be left to a coach. I think roster changes are necessary here to be honest, one of the supports needs to go to be replaced with a more intelligent player less reliant on the early game like EGM perhaps. And then one of Fata or Bone7 needs to go to be replaced with someone who will just play solid and not die during lane. The old C9 showed that EE can shotcall really well and smartly and they dont need to rely on skill to win. | ||
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On August 07 2015 06:29 Greenbeen wrote: I think all of C9's players can be really good in other teams if they go elsewhere. It just doesnt seem like this cloud9 is the right fit for all of them. They are all too aggressive playmaking emotional players. It shows in their playstyle when rely on, and can make amazing outplays in the first 30 mins to close out games and against lesser teams they usually can just beat up on them like they have all year (VP, Na'vi, and even they never lost to empire). Then they just throw because they lack calmness, a direction and discipline. Its just such a badly put together team, eternalenvy is an incredibly successful captain and leader compared to most but this is just proof that players shouldnt decide on rosters and it should be left to a coach. I think roster changes are necessary here to be honest, one of the supports needs to go to be replaced with a more intelligent player less reliant on the early game like EGM perhaps. And then one of Fata or Bone7 needs to go to be replaced with someone who will just play solid and not die during lane. The old C9 showed that EE can shotcall really well and smartly and they dont need to rely on skill to win. Hmmm I agree mostly. Do you think that a good coach alone could fix things in this team? | ||
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Greenbeen
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On August 07 2015 07:01 TheNewEra wrote: Hmmm I agree mostly. Do you think that a good coach alone could fix things in this team? First of all there are no real coaches that arent chinese so they cant ever do that. They need to make roster changes in an intelligent way and EE needs to gain back control over the team. The old C9 with bone7, sing, aui, and pie its clear that EE is the strongest personality on that team and because of that their shotcalling and play used to be really disciplined and smart. Now its so muddled with notail, misery and fata who seem to be more involved. Teams which share shotcalling will never be the best in the world. All TI winners had 1 person in charge, Artstyle, Faith, S4, Xiao8. Thats why I want EGM who at his best (assuming he can regain that) can just be the same as what AUI was to c9 and hopefully he will just shutup and listen and as a previous TI winner you can count on him not to choke. Then idk i'd like a replacement for Bone7 or Fata in the vein of someone like Yao, Super, Mushi, ohaiyo but there's no one in the west who plays like that really other than bulldog who just isnt good enough right now and universe who wont be leaving EG. Do what fnatic's LoL team did and replace everyone who was muddling the shotcalling with people who will just shutup and listen to the captain (Yellowstar) and then rely more on the shotcalling of EE which at times can be world class. Maybe even get some new talent from solo queue. | ||
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GiveMeYourtTots
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lol, he is one of the best mids in the world, he should be playing in the TI finals. But instead he is with C9. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:20 GiveMeYourtTots wrote: lol, he is one of the best mids in the world, he should be playing in the TI finals. But instead he is with C9. FATA was incredibly underwhelming for TI5 and the months leading up to it. Honestly him and bone7 were the weak links for this tournament. He carried C9 for the most part late last year but I think there's a reason he's never been on a true top tier team. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
lol, he is one of the best mids in the world, he should be playing in the TI finals. But instead he is with C9. Lol, have you seen him on the meta mids? (Lina, SF, Lesh,Storm) His impact is limited to farming early game and feeding mid game. He doesn't have half the impact that Suma1l, G, Maybe etc. have. He is like the opposite of Sing (who excelled at farm oriented mids). Fata's BM, puck, Zeus and DK are world class, but unfortunately, all of these are very uni-dimensional heroes (exclusive teamfight/ pushing). Even during the past 6.83 meta, his sniper and troll were extremely underwhelming, and envy was pretty much forced to play them every game. | ||
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spudde123
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Greenbeen
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Piledriver
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Greenbeen
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On August 07 2015 08:40 Piledriver wrote: Also I guess I'm a bit mollified about the performance of C9, seeing that Secret has fallen pretty hard as well. I think the Euro meta as a whole has been demolished against the 5 man fighting meta of the Chinese. Both Secret and C9 suffered from the inability to adapt to the meta mid-tournament. That's Team Empires thing though... #1 for me is just choking. VP are not as good as secret, yet puppey, S4 and kuro were no where to be seen that series. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On August 07 2015 08:44 Greenbeen wrote: That's Team Empires thing though... #1 for me is just choking. VP are not as good as secret, yet puppey, S4 and kuro were no where to be seen that series. I don't think its choking, other teams brought a better attitude and teamspirit, whereas C9 had internal issues, and Secret admittedly weren't even scrimming, since they felt scrims are useless. | ||
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Alpino
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LETS GO C9 I'll cheer for each of this players whatever the team they may end up. But 1st one in my heart will be whatever team EE plays for. THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES BOYS | ||
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