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MirageTaN
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore871 Posts
April 03 2015 17:56 GMT
#1481
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
#TLWIN TI7, TLDota BEST TL
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
April 04 2015 03:54 GMT
#1482
On March 28 2015 08:56 Terrorbladder wrote:
You are the among the least talented people in professional Dota. My advice probably won't get to you but it's probably high time you step down and let someone else draft for the team. Every time you draft your ego will take over and force your teammates to play around you while you treat them the same way as you're playing with 4k teammates in pub. Because every single game you try to pull "next level" shit to the chagrin of your teammates.

About that
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
April 04 2015 05:01 GMT
#1483


pls do so
this is a quote
blobrus
Profile Joined August 2011
4297 Posts
April 04 2015 05:33 GMT
#1484
On April 04 2015 14:01 goody153 wrote:
https://twitter.com/EternaLEnVy1991/status/584199385816440832

pls do so

Im tempted but that also means kelly
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
April 04 2015 16:23 GMT
#1485
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
April 07 2015 07:54 GMT
#1486


FATA- has dem stats.
Supporter of the situational Blink Dagger on Storm.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
April 07 2015 15:21 GMT
#1487
On April 07 2015 16:54 TMG26 wrote:
https://twitter.com/NahazDota/status/585104949685706752

FATA- has dem stats.

as with most nahaz stats what u'll find is that that stat doesn't say anything at all. In this case, it's literally a listing of who picks zeus most.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
April 11 2015 18:32 GMT
#1488
Well I hope his inspiration is Sumail and not me or I won't be able to sleep at night (hey i already can't anyway XD _).
Well here are my thoughts:
I believe that any pro player could maintain 5.5k+ MMR by only committing 20~ hours a week. I also believe that a complete noobie with the motivation and ability to go pro will calibrate at around 4.5~6k+ MMR depending on whether he randoms or focuses on certain heroes (I would assume this is ~300 hours).
However, I doubt this is convincing to your brother because honestly this is all just bullshit I spew out based on 0 data from any real pro. It's just things I thought about and extrapolated from talking to people.
If you like you could research on genius players (Akke, Azen from smash bros, etc.), these guys that can be at the top of random ass games to convince your brother. I wouldn't know anything about that but I'm gonna lay down my own story in dota. (If you don't want to read this shit just go to the end)
Alright I wrote a bunch of shit but I deleted it all, I'm just gonna talk about fucking DotA.
Alright so i first picked up DotA when I saw my auntie's son playing it at a Lan Cafe. I was 14 at this time my first year in HS, the next week I went to that Lan Cafe and became basically the best player there though no one really wanted to accept that. I almost got beat up because I would play for $ against these gangstas and would always win. I was known to be the best at my high school but honestly who gives a fuck. If your the best at your high school that just means your above average, your most likely still awful at the game.
Ok so I played online AP stacks and my stack won every fucking game forever untill this dude called Hit0mi crushed me. At that point I added this guy right away and asked him why hes so fucking good and why im so fucking bad at this game. He told me he played in this special league where no ones awful at the game (which is not true). I asked if I could play and he said no I'm not good enough. So I spent 1 week playing with Hit0mi (Mostly 1on1s and some TDAs), and he told me my laning ability is now at his level and he could vouch me (He was top 16 in the league what a player).
Ok so this league was called IHL and was a USE server league adminstered by ucross. I was on trial period and if you play bad in this league you would be unvouched. So my very first match I played against Merlini, the ranked 1 player in the league. At this time Merlini was considered the best USE player because JMC won some tournament agianst coL in the finals (fear was on coL, was also ranked 6). I went on ventrilo (my first time using that service) and I told my team I would support (because I'm nervous and i thought I was shit). Anyway my team was full of bigger pussies and forced me mid to go up against Merlini's old SF with old Silencer. Merlini went 0-10 that game after I solo killed him multiple times and completely annihilated him. He then quit playing the league for a month (ya fuck you Merlini). I told master Hit0mi this and he was proud _. Anyways there was ~250 in the league and after 3 months of playing and being constantly flamed by Swissbeatz I was rank 30. This shit wasn't like NEL btw, IHLeagues were serious shits back then and now they are total garbage. There wasn't any tournaments back then so rankings was all the ego rage. This was still all during my first year of DotA.
Anyway I ended up quitting the game to play maple story, I played on and off but I'm not gonna go into that. Honestly though I was failing in school all my life till Gr 11~12 and I spent a shit load of time playing games, it was my way of running away from life, the one thing I was proud of when I was pretty shit at everything else. So it's not like I did this all casually.
Anyway during second semester of gr 12, I decided to casually play HoN. I already decided that I would quit all games after during Uni (this was completely possible for me at the time as I didn't touch a single game during gr 11-first semester of 12 when I promised to be top in my class to my best friend at the time). I started playing with my friends from Dragonica, things got bad and at one point I stopped playing with them. The only person I played with from the past was TheFuriousNoob (a 4.5~5k player in DotA). After another month I even stopped playing with him (hes my best friend). I simply played at a higher level and didn't really want to play with them anymore T_T. I was rank 2 on the ladder (US/Euro combined) and started playing for team DWi. I would say DWi was top 2-4 teams at the time (a truly dark shit time though) and I would say I was top 2 mids and definitely the best laner in NA. I played 1on1s 2 hours a day though, my god. I would play 2 hours of 1on1s on weekdays (Mostly against Slickz (austrilia player) and would be teaching Nientonsoh from LoL) and 32923921 real games on the weekend. Anyway this was all while I was maintaining a 95 average (98 if english would fuck off) in highschool, so your bro can't use that excuse anymore. I played HoN all the way till the end of August. During this time FNATIC HoN was formed and we were their first opening match. N0tail was rank 1 (he overtook me I was rank 1 FUCKER) on the ladder. N0tail did some stupid bottle crow shit against me mid and I got raped. We got 2-0ed with a 30k gold lead and that was my last HoN game.
Anyway I guess I'll mention SC2 as well since someone else did. But during the summer break after first year of Uni I played SC2. I was hoping that I would place gold (3k mmr) after my 5 calibration matches but I got diamond (the highest possible calibration) I was then upgraded to masters on the same day (5k mmr~). I had 0 SC1 experience and I was pretty shit at WC3.
So I got a boost in EGO from being good at SC2 without much time (mostly my ego was boosted from dragonica though), and after watching some Jaedong vs Flash SC1 finals 3 times in a row I decided to become a professional gamer (well it was more complicated than this I thought about it a lot as I was emo in Uni). During second semester of 2nd year Engineering Science (the hardest Engineering program in CA), my marks dropped from mid 80s to getting 65~75 average. This is because I started playing and researching on DotA. What I mean by that is I played DotA 1 (because I had no key and no connections) only during the weekends. And on the weekdays I would watch TPL season 1 or Defense casted by Luminous/Purge/ and Tob1 xD. During this time I was rank 1 that stupid DotA Tier 2 league thing on DotA 1 and was actually struggling quite hard to get anything above 15 on DotAlicious Tier 3 Europe Server. Anyway School ended after May and the true struggle began but I won't go into that since I was full time playing and I already quit school at that point.
Anyway its acutally getting really late I don't even know where I'm going with this anymore. I can't say I know your brother's life, personality, or ability to the extent where I could point out what he needs to do in life. However, I don't need that shit, I don't need exact information on him. Because the vague information you have provided is enough for me to say that your brother has a 0% chance of making it pro. I don't give a fuck if hes only 16 and hes still young, I don't give a fuck if hes still in school, and he can't play full time. Saying that you'll go pro when your 3k MMR whether your in school or not is underestimating the HELL that is pro gaming. He will never become good enough no matter how hard he tries and he should just stop now. Pro gaming is not for him.


source :
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/325ek3/my_younger_brother_wants_to_quit_education_and/cq8l9v9

ee trying to give advice on someone's brother who wants to go pro by explaining his experience
this is a quote
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
April 11 2015 22:12 GMT
#1489
EE tells the truth, and it is good that he doesn't try to encourage obvious mishaps from happening.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
April 12 2015 00:19 GMT
#1490
On April 07 2015 16:54 TMG26 wrote:
https://twitter.com/NahazDota/status/585104949685706752

FATA- has dem stats.

Second place to an EG player in classic C9 fashion.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-12 03:11:04
April 12 2015 03:10 GMT
#1491
On April 12 2015 09:19 pat777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2015 16:54 TMG26 wrote:
https://twitter.com/NahazDota/status/585104949685706752

FATA- has dem stats.

Second place to an EG player in classic C9 fashion.

damn i just realized that lol

classic c9
this is a quote
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-14 00:42:33
April 14 2015 00:42 GMT
#1492
Total shot in the dark, but I'm trying to find a song that was played on Envy's stream yesterday.

The vod is here and the song starts at around 27:35~

Unfortunately his 'Now Playing' overlay wasn't working, so I've played a relatively clean audio sample (29:10~) through Shazam several times but unfortunately received a variety of incorrect results.

If anyone happens to know I'd be eternally grateful :D
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44230 Posts
April 14 2015 07:09 GMT
#1493
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this is a quote
ShAdZ_ZX
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia635 Posts
April 15 2015 11:20 GMT
#1494
On April 14 2015 09:42 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:
Total shot in the dark, but I'm trying to find a song that was played on Envy's stream yesterday.

The vod is here and the song starts at around 27:35~

Unfortunately his 'Now Playing' overlay wasn't working, so I've played a relatively clean audio sample (29:10~) through Shazam several times but unfortunately received a variety of incorrect results.

If anyone happens to know I'd be eternally grateful :D


Follow up, in case someone was wondering.

The track is Raid from the Final Fantasy X Piano Collections soundtrack. I knew it sounded like a Final Fantasy piece, I just wasn't familiar enough with all of the OST's to know which it was.
Keepotalist
Profile Joined April 2015
4 Posts
April 15 2015 14:13 GMT
#1495
I am pretty Sure EE Sama is loosing it... He somehow doesn't sound like a sane person anymore :S
Bugatti?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10806 Posts
April 15 2015 14:22 GMT
#1496
did he ever?
pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-04-18 08:54:41
April 18 2015 08:25 GMT
#1497
So I have this theory. I believe that EternalEnvy abusing stuff like pauses in pubs is actually weakening his performance in big tournaments. Sure it helps him win a few games and get to 7k MMR but does it really help his tournament skill? In a competitive setting, EternalEnvy cannot pause unless his team has legitimate technical issues. So while he's used to pausing in a bad situation in pubs, he typically cannot do that in tournament games. I believe that might have slightly thrown him off a few times in a competitive setting. Like, I think there may have been some times in a cloud 9 game where he wanted to pause to explain stuff to his teammates. He's used to being able to do this in pubs but is unable to do this in tournaments (in a normal tournament situation). IMO, he should try getting 7k MMR using only tools he's allowed in tournaments. Abusing tools he's not going to have in tournaments is going to hurt his tournament play. I know pubs are very different from tournament games, but he's actively making them even more different. IMO, he should strive to maximize his tournament game skill and I think that means getting 7k or maximizing pub mmr while playing under typical tournament rules (even though tourney rules are not enforced in pubs).

Edit: Okay, I think I went too far with my theory after reading the response below.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
April 18 2015 08:42 GMT
#1498
That's rather far fetched imo. I mean I agree that doing stuff that doesn't happen in competitive games isn't optimal, but that pretty much applies to everything that goes on in pub games. No pro plays similarly in pubs as they would in a competitive game because to win pubs they have to abuse the fact that their opponents are worse than them and they also have to take into consideration that you can't always rely on your teammates. And that is if you take a pub seriously, people may just clown around and do random stuff they would never do in pro games. It doesn't directly serve competitive games either, but you can still have fun, improve your feel for the hero you are playing, etc. Pub games are not the place where you can simulate an actual competitive game no matter how hard you try.

As far as I'm aware c9 is also one of the teams that spends a lot of time constantly scrimming so a pretty big portion of the games they play is still proper games against other teams.
pat777
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States356 Posts
April 18 2015 08:52 GMT
#1499
On April 18 2015 17:42 spudde123 wrote:
That's rather far fetched imo. I mean I agree that doing stuff that doesn't happen in competitive games isn't optimal, but that pretty much applies to everything that goes on in pub games. No pro plays similarly in pubs as they would in a competitive game because to win pubs they have to abuse the fact that their opponents are worse than them and they also have to take into consideration that you can't always rely on your teammates. And that is if you take a pub seriously, people may just clown around and do random stuff they would never do in pro games. It doesn't directly serve competitive games either, but you can still have fun, improve your feel for the hero you are playing, etc. Pub games are not the place where you can simulate an actual competitive game no matter how hard you try.

As far as I'm aware c9 is also one of the teams that spends a lot of time constantly scrimming so a pretty big portion of the games they play is still proper games against other teams.

Oh, I see. I think my earlier post was pretty naive in retrospect. What you said sounds pretty reasonable.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
April 18 2015 09:38 GMT
#1500
What you do in all your games is a pretty relevant topic for players still. I feel some parts of your gameplay are just stuff you are used to be doing and you are not consciously thinking about it all the time. If you do something stupid consistently in situations where you don't really care, it may transfer to games where it actually matters. But this isn't really so straightforward to solve. Firstly as I said I feel that pub games are so wildly different from competitive games that the stuff you actually have to do to win the game isn't really the same. Also for roles like support or offlane you really can't get realistic practice in a pub, so you end up playing roles and heroes that you probably won't play in a competitive game.

And also another interesting topic may be who you actually scrim against. Let's say you are EG, and there are not many high tier teams on the same continent. Is it then better to not scrim at all and just study your opponents, talk about different heroes and playstyles, or is it better to scrim teams that are far worse than you? I feel it is possible that you may create a bunch of bad habits if you constantly play teams that can't punish your mistakes, teams that can't punish the weak points in your drafts, etc. The same goes for top teams on other continents as well of course, but the situation in Europe for example is at least a bit better in the sense that there are a few more teams that for example Secret can practice against.
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