Misery is hard to compare to ppd since they play wildly different styles of support, but I really can't complain about his play. He's been top tier since he's joined C9. FATA has been as good as any mid in the world lately, I'd say his play has been ahead of Sumail's by a good margin and even if not better than s4's. Bone's been going through a rough patch but his Summit lower bracket play has been amazing. I have a lot of faith in current C9. They're playing their hearts out.

Kupon3ss

時の回廊10066 Posts

April 02 2015 01:45 GMT

#1463

the weak link is actually notail

Xendarii

327 Posts

April 02 2015 07:09 GMT

#1464

Have to agree that N0tail played a tad better at Secret, but I believe in him. And yeah, if bone7 really managed to get his sh*t together and keeps playing like he did in the lower brackets, they're indeed scary. Their absolute domination against Alliance and especially Vega (although they're not t1) was impressive considering how flawed their performance was during the weeks before.

Spicy_Curry

United States10573 Posts

April 02 2015 13:14 GMT

#1465

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On March 23 2015 06:08 Spicy_Curry wrote:

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Notail has moments of brilliance but he has been carried by misery pretty hard. If you notice, all his rotations are late in these games. He isnt reading the games well at all this patch.

Ya notail just plays super risky and it ends up costing the team alot of deaths. Atleast jimmy throws alone.

Thats not to say that bone-chan has a wide/relevant hero pool, he doesnt.

govie

9334 Posts

April 02 2015 14:27 GMT

#1466

I think its too early to call players weak links. Notail played a terrible enigma game yesterday but its just one game, give them some time to become the best team they can be, that takes a while.

goody153

44245 Posts

April 02 2015 15:21 GMT

#1467

Envy said in his q & a that notail has some intuation on some situation which are very good however envy did mention that Notail also sometimes goes in very risky situations.

I think he meant he Yolo's sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

govie

9334 Posts

April 02 2015 17:56 GMT

#1468

3-0 pretty descent

bluzi

4703 Posts

April 02 2015 18:18 GMT

#1469

On April 03 2015 02:56 govie wrote:
3-0 pretty descent

They actually played very well , it wasnt the score but the way they man handled ASUS which are on top form.

hunter_x

Germany2762 Posts

April 02 2015 18:26 GMT

#1470

Everyone talks about Sumail, but for me Fata is one of the best and most stable mid players right now. With the heroes he plays often, he is like the best in the world. Zeus, Beastmaster, Puck, Brewmaster to name a few.

Nymzee

3929 Posts

April 02 2015 20:26 GMT

#1471

EE posted this in twitter

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Evander Berry Wall

United States1137 Posts

April 03 2015 00:06 GMT

#1472

I think N0Tail is a great player. I do however think that he seems to be having a little bit of trouble blending into the team.

But given C9's streak of victories, what is there to complain about right now?

Sabu113

United States11076 Posts

April 03 2015 03:48 GMT

#1473

On April 03 2015 00:21 goody153 wrote:
Envy said in his q & a that notail has some intuation on some situation which are very good however envy did mention that Notail also sometimes goes in very risky situations.

I think he meant he Yolo's sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't

Notail's ability to kill people early is what makes him such an excellent support and what made him the big big signing he was. Out of form lately sure but very few teams couldn't slot NoTail in and be better.

FuzzyJAM

Scotland9300 Posts

April 03 2015 11:18 GMT

#1474

NoTail hasn't been great the past week, sure. I hardly think that's enough to start trashing him, especially when C9 are winning anyway.

Maybe it's more fun to pick people apart or whatever, but the truth, no matter how boring, is that everyone on C9 is a really good player and, as should be expected, they all have good and bad games and weeks depending on meta and practise and drafts and randomness.

LemOn

United Kingdom8629 Posts

April 03 2015 12:45 GMT

#1475

I mean come on, he never was renown for his Enigma play was he

He was almost comically bad on it but he's no Aui or Puppey and doesn't pretend to be. I'd just stick Misery on Enigma/Chen next time let notail be aggro/own on wisp

spudde123

4814 Posts

April 03 2015 13:30 GMT

#1476

If he hasn't played Enigma that much before, his performances will surely improve. Not to mention people harp way too much on some random black holes. Most of the games they've picked Enigma it has been with a Phoenix, and generally his job is to guarantee that opponents can't target the Phoenix egg without putting themselves in a position to get black holed. It really doesn't matter whether n0tail is the one making a flashy plays or not. Other than that as far as I've seen they've used the Enigma well to push some towers early, guarantee roshans etc, and the pick clearly has worked for them despite n0tail maybe not being so used to the hero.

On other heroes n0tail has been fine in the games I've seen at least. A week or so ago the entire team was having some questionable drafts/performances, but the last 6 days everything has worked well, and I don't think n0tail is any exception to that really. Most games he may not be as flashy as Fata for example, but I doubt anyone on the team cares about that.

Comeh

United States18919 Posts

April 03 2015 14:03 GMT

#1477

On April 02 2015 10:45 Kupon3ss wrote:
the weak link is actually notail

But reddit told me he was the MVP of secret!!!

n0tail hasn't even been average since he joined C9. It would help if they switched misery to the 4 roll (which he can TOTALLY play) and left n0tail on the 5 (since most of his small hero pool are 5 heroes anyways)

govie

9334 Posts

April 03 2015 14:30 GMT

#1478

On April 03 2015 23:03 Comeh wrote:

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But reddit told me he was the MVP of secret!!!

Secret hasnt won a tournament since he left? Just saying

goody153

44245 Posts

April 03 2015 15:00 GMT

#1479

On April 03 2015 23:03 Comeh wrote:

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misery and notail switch 4 and 5 alot .. usually when misery are on heroes like AA, lion

On April 03 2015 23:30 govie wrote:

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Secret hasnt won a tournament since he left? Just saying

rofl i liek you

Howie_Dewitt

United States1416 Posts

April 03 2015 15:51 GMT

#1480

Give notail lina and have him run around the map flailing and shooting people with Laguna blades
Give misery sand king and have him flailing as well
Grab a sven or smth and take the enemy offlaner out a lot
Give fata a team fight disable guy
Make bone some tanky offlaner who can soak up damage
End before late game :D