• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:43
CEST 07:43
KST 14:43
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview5[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double0Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !16Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (May 11-17): Classic wins double Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
$1,400 SEL Season 3 Ladder Invitational GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) $5,000 WardiTV Spring Championship 2026 Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 526 Rubber and Glue Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes
Brood War
General
25 Years Since Brood War Patch 1.08 BW General Discussion vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Lights Ro.8 Review (asl s21) BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne ZeroSpace Megathread War of Dots, 2026 minimalst RTS Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1495 users

Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion - Page 10378

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 10376 10377 10378 10379 10380 10601 Next
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
December 22 2020 22:19 GMT
#207541
Obra Dinn is probably the most brilliant puzzle game I played. I gushed about it a few years ago here and have nothing but positive things to say about it. Some deductions were obtuse for my small brain and I needed help, but I adore how it builds clues through context and weaves a narrative through disjointed memories that you piece together.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
December 22 2020 22:58 GMT
#207542
One nice thing about the pandemic is that all of my puzzle-game playing has been with friends - I played Baba is You with like 5 other people, and while I'm just playing Obra Dinn with my girlfriend I think 2 people still makes a ton of difference vs 1.

I'm genuinely unsure whether I'd love Baba if I played it on my own. I think Obra Dinn is probably sufficiently easier that it doesn't matter as much, but still better with 2 I think.
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
December 23 2020 02:30 GMT
#207543
On December 22 2020 23:37 Slomo wrote:
This joke is becoming equivalent to reddits "I also take this guys dead wife".

hey, we can't forget our past
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 23 2020 08:07 GMT
#207544
On December 23 2020 07:13 eieio wrote:
IMO RDR2 > HZD >>> Outer Worlds

Although I'd probably reverse HZD and RDR2 if life was normal, since HZD takes much less time. So idk, you're probably busy saving lives, maybe HZD is better. I couldn't get into RDR2 on my first try a few years ago, and only got into it by forcing myself to play the first chapter and a half, which was easy because nyc was totally locked down at the time lol.

I find HZD's combat to be much better (RDR isn't bad it's fine, HZD's is super fun) and RDR's story / world to be better and more engaging (HZD's story is pretty good! but RDR feels like I'm living out an full western tv series). Regardless - they're two of my favorite games ever.

I did not feel particularly drawn to Outer Worlds and played it for a few hours, put it down for a weekend, and never came back to it. Honestly - once you get used to 0-load-screen open-world games it's hard to go back to regular loading screens lol. But also I think I just wasn't particularly invested in the story, and it's much more of a traditional RPG than the other games and I've been losing patience for caring about min-maxing gear and such over the years. Other people love the game tho, so idk. Maybe I'll retry it.

edit - oh also I think that at least on release HZD on PC was pretty buggy, maybe check on that before buying

(videogame sidenote - I started Return of the Obra Dinn this weekend and played it for like 9 hours straight, it rules)

Thanks for the reviews.

I'm leaning towards HZD for now and maybe eventually RDR2.
Moderator
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
December 23 2020 09:11 GMT
#207545
Rdr2 requires significant time investment.
It's a great narrative but without that time, it felt very fragmented for me and incredibly slow to develop - just like old movies, I like that comparison of eieieoe.

Horizon is a fun and easy going game with varied gameplay, if you want it to be. I found a specific approach to be more successful than others for me. But I didn't play it for the challenge so that was fine by me. I don't think I encountered any bugs playing through both main game as well as expansion. Just a few crashes. Right now it should be good to play.
Although truth be told I do play with a controller. Mouse and keyboard reduce the challenge quite a bit, making the weak point hits so much easier.

Haven't played outer wilds.
passive quaranstream fan
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 23 2020 14:34 GMT
#207546
Outer worlds is basically "Fallout 4 but good." Id say it's worth picking up on a good sale
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 23 2020 14:49 GMT
#207547
I found Horizon zero dawn extremely uninteresting both in terms of story and gameplay. I feel like a lot of people fell for the waifu bait >.>.

RDR2 is fantastic, extremely immersive and maybe the only RPG where I actually didn't mind slow walking in towns. The story comes apart a bit at the end and the epilogue is pointless.

Outer worlds looked generic as all fuck to me.

This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-23 16:53:57
December 23 2020 16:48 GMT
#207548
On December 23 2020 23:34 PassiveAce wrote:
Outer worlds is basically "Fallout 4 but good." Id say it's worth picking up on a good sale

FO4 is not bad

On December 23 2020 23:49 Qbek wrote:
I found Horizon zero dawn extremely uninteresting both in terms of story and gameplay. I feel like a lot of people fell for the waifu bait >.>.

RDR2 is fantastic, extremely immersive and maybe the only RPG where I actually didn't mind slow walking in towns. The story comes apart a bit at the end and the epilogue is pointless.

Outer worlds looked generic as all fuck to me.


I don't think it was waifu bait for me! Idk, I think the combat's real fun. The story's well above a typical open-world RPG imo, although that's a low bar. Although honestly I'd prefer that HZD wasn't an open-world game. All my favorite parts of it were set pieces, I think I'd like the game even more if they just embraced the set pieces and didn't give me silly sidequests that I ignored.

I also kinda liked RDR2's epilogue but that's just because I was so hooked that I wanted more game. I enjoyed the literal ending, but found that the final chapters dragged a little.
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-23 18:13:45
December 23 2020 18:12 GMT
#207549
Outer Worlds is a bit overrated imo, its a great game for sure but its not that well written or the story that interesting. Id say its better than FO4 tho.

Not even close to Divinity OS2
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
December 23 2020 18:32 GMT
#207550
On December 24 2020 01:48 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 23 2020 23:34 PassiveAce wrote:
Outer worlds is basically "Fallout 4 but good." Id say it's worth picking up on a good sale

FO4 is not bad

Show nested quote +
On December 23 2020 23:49 Qbek wrote:
I found Horizon zero dawn extremely uninteresting both in terms of story and gameplay. I feel like a lot of people fell for the waifu bait >.>.

RDR2 is fantastic, extremely immersive and maybe the only RPG where I actually didn't mind slow walking in towns. The story comes apart a bit at the end and the epilogue is pointless.

Outer worlds looked generic as all fuck to me.


I don't think it was waifu bait for me! Idk, I think the combat's real fun. The story's well above a typical open-world RPG imo, although that's a low bar. Although honestly I'd prefer that HZD wasn't an open-world game. All my favorite parts of it were set pieces, I think I'd like the game even more if they just embraced the set pieces and didn't give me silly sidequests that I ignored.

I also kinda liked RDR2's epilogue but that's just because I was so hooked that I wanted more game. I enjoyed the literal ending, but found that the final chapters dragged a little.

HZD did nothing for me but I'm glad so many people enjoyed it. I was ready to sink more time into fun open worldy gameplay after finishing RDR2 but it was such a drag I pulled the plug and moved on. I found the combat supremely unenjoyable, the dialogue to be delivered in a repulsive manner and the setting to be nothing to write home about.

I later played Disco Elysium and now that is a game. Finally an RPG without the pointless combat sequences where you basically fight wildlife, like you do in every other allegedly story driven game. However, upon applying my monomolecularly sharp literary criticism to it, I started to wonder if the average nerd is capable of telling masterful writing from early stages of overwriting, as in my opinion Disco Elysium's style lodges itself perfectly into the ridge joining the two together, effectively being neither. Luckily, this only applies to some parts of the narration, as most of the game's writing is delivered in a way where I am happy to forgive the willful application of over the top stylisation. It's odd that in a game so well put together they managed to make the ending so thoroughly unsatisfying, when it literally took like 2 scenes to fix it.
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
December 23 2020 18:58 GMT
#207551
I'm waiting for disco elysium to come out on a console because I want to play it form my couch with my girlfriend :/

everyone says it's so good and I'm pretty bummed to be missing out till march xd
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-23 19:13:11
December 23 2020 19:11 GMT
#207552
Hzd gameplay is the best of any of the open world rpgs iv played by a mile. Only thing that comes close is the latest god of war maybe.

You could maybe download disco elysium on your laptop and hook it up to the TV? I know ps4 controllers work on pc and I'd imagine there's some drivers out there to connect other gamepads?
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 23 2020 21:53 GMT
#207553
cant believe u guys still havent played the forest even tho i explicitely told u to
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
December 23 2020 22:02 GMT
#207554
On December 24 2020 04:11 PassiveAce wrote:
Hzd gameplay is the best of any of the open world rpgs iv played by a mile. Only thing that comes close is the latest god of war maybe.

You could maybe download disco elysium on your laptop and hook it up to the TV? I know ps4 controllers work on pc and I'd imagine there's some drivers out there to connect other gamepads?

What do you think aboot Nier Automata's gameplay in this context - we were also talking about waifu bait...
passive quaranstream fan
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 23 2020 22:06 GMT
#207555
I couldn't get in to nier.The gameplay just didn't grab me after 4ish hours of playing and I don't have any built in affinity for waifus to make me keep playing.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
December 23 2020 23:53 GMT
#207556


Alright I'm already sufficiently impressed by the beginning of HZD.

The only thing that's hilariously poor quality so far is the facial animations and lip syncing.
Moderator
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2723 Posts
December 24 2020 00:12 GMT
#207557
On December 24 2020 06:53 teddyoojo wrote:
cant believe u guys still havent played the forest even tho i explicitely told u to


The forest is just a worse Subnautica which is just a worse Outer Wilds
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 24 2020 00:25 GMT
#207558
ur opinion is bad and you should feel bad
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-24 02:19:31
December 24 2020 02:10 GMT
#207559
i mostly can't play open world games after Breath of the Wild, it's kinda poetic how does the game sum all of its parts and end up being something so unique and perfect.
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
December 24 2020 03:42 GMT
#207560
o yea HZD's faces are *awful*, especially relative to the world itself which is gorgeous.

Kinda get the same vibe in RDR2 for the faces of most people outside of the main characters, lol.

On December 24 2020 07:06 PassiveAce wrote:
I couldn't get in to nier.The gameplay just didn't grab me after 4ish hours of playing and I don't have any built in affinity for waifus to make me keep playing.

Huh, combat in nier is so fukin fun to me. Dodging like that rules.

On December 24 2020 09:12 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2020 06:53 teddyoojo wrote:
cant believe u guys still havent played the forest even tho i explicitely told u to


The forest is just a worse Subnautica which is just a worse Outer Wilds

Ok but outer wilds is perfect and subnautica is pretty good so this makes me think the forest isnt bad

On December 24 2020 04:11 PassiveAce wrote:
Hzd gameplay is the best of any of the open world rpgs iv played by a mile. Only thing that comes close is the latest god of war maybe.

You could maybe download disco elysium on your laptop and hook it up to the TV? I know ps4 controllers work on pc and I'd imagine there's some drivers out there to connect other gamepads?

lmao i had considered moving my gaming pc (or building a tiny little guy for my tv, which would be kinda fun) but hadn't considered just using my laptop and a contorller hahaha
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
Prev 1 10376 10377 10378 10379 10380 10601 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
KungFu Cup 2026 Week 7
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft468
Nina 130
ProTech57
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 5166
Zeus 141
sorry 47
HiyA 44
JulyZerg 30
Shinee 15
GoRush 15
Icarus 7
Dota 2
monkeys_forever384
NeuroSwarm155
XaKoH 2
League of Legends
JimRising 731
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 1773
Stewie2K1348
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King109
Other Games
summit1g11970
C9.Mang0553
RuFF_SC2177
PiGStarcraft147
Trikslyr28
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL795
Other Games
gamesdonequick601
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 17
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 21
• Mapu3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1072
• Rush1030
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
4h 17m
Kung Fu Cup
5h 17m
WardiTV Qualifier
8h 17m
GSL
1d 3h
Cure vs sOs
SHIN vs ByuN
Replay Cast
1d 18h
GSL
2 days
Classic vs Solar
GuMiho vs Zoun
WardiTV Spring Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Flash vs Soma
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
Universe Titan Cup
6 days
Rogue vs Percival
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
2026 GSL S1
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
Bounty Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.