EPT6.82 Balance Changes and Discussion Thread - Page 73
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Ricjames
Czech Republic1047 Posts
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
take pugna for instance. if he doesn't take the outter towers quickly, his potency tapers off. it's not a matter of her fitting into the meta, its a matter of her having a niche as an illusion hero slayer and a hero who can take another hero and disable them for 4 seconds, potentially earning free damage. just like several carries in CM. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On September 26 2014 20:54 Xypski wrote: You gain an advantage by outplaying the opponent when you're on equal terms; they have to outplay you WHEN YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE for it to disappear. They got themselves in a disadvantage to begin with. By your logic you would give a map of adv to those who come from the lower bracket and by mine i would not give any advantage to either part. | ||
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BluemoonSC
SoCal8910 Posts
On September 26 2014 20:56 Ricjames wrote: I am not usually judging quick as this, but this patch is crap. All games i played so far were decided by carry picks. Basically if your evemy has stronger carry, you lost. There is no intention to get towers as it is worthless anyways. The best way to win is do nothing, just farm and wait for the enemy to push and punish them with good defense. Not sure how much of an issue it will be in pro games as the teams come up with new strategies, but pub games are just ridiculous now. you basically outlined all of the problems people were complaining about with the last patch, that the patch was designed to fix. no longer can the enemy team just face rush you without defense. now you have the opportunity to save every T1, and punish your enemies for grouping up for a push its too early to make. thank goodness, in my eyes. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On September 26 2014 20:53 Kreb wrote: Am I the only one thinking LC seems like a really unfit hero for the current meta? I heard multiple pros say shes anywhere between good and broken. - Snowball reliant. If you dont win duels continuously you wont do any damage. Pretty much all snowball heroes are completely out of meta. - Nothing in terms of massive team fight ultis/skills. This is also very important in the current meta. - Just nothing special to offer in terms of fast farming or tower pushing. Looking at LC I see a good laner and descent counter pusher (only against summons). But you're not ever gonna be able to make her useful enough unless you can get her safely into the middle of the enemy team to start winning duels without constantly getting focused or just dying to random stuns. And I just dont see that happening. TB on the other hand seems kinda fit both because of his farming and pushing abilities. still too early to say but the last patch i feel hit her a lot harder than people thought for tower pushing it depends, press the attack works on herself or another ally. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
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govie
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:00 BluemoonSC wrote: you basically outlined all of the problems people were complaining about with the last patch, that the patch was designed to fix. no longer can the enemy team just face rush you without defense. now you have the opportunity to save every T1, and punish your enemies for grouping up for a push its too early to make. thank goodness, in my eyes. As a support player in this patch I so far feel like "why bother?" All the work you put into early game rotations and edging out an advantage are instantly reversed with 1 kill (no not one teamfight loss, just 1 kill) and the net worth is reversed. Even more focus will be upon picking late game heroes/semi-carries. Why even bother playing support atm? | ||
Kireak
Sweden358 Posts
On September 26 2014 20:54 Xypski wrote: You gain an advantage by outplaying the opponent when you're on equal terms; they have to outplay you WHEN YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE for it to disappear. You dont have to outplay them, you just have to kill a couple of them not actually winning a fight (in the old sense of the word) | ||
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Narw
Poland884 Posts
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govie
9334 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:26 GinNtoniC wrote: As a support player in this patch I so far feel like "why bother?" All the work you put into early game rotations and edging out an advantage are instantly reversed with 1 kill (no not one teamfight loss, just 1 kill) and the net worth is reversed. Even more focus will be upon picking late game heroes/semi-carries. Why even bother playing support atm? Maybe gonna see some wierd drafts+executions wheres 5 cores get time to farm there basic items (blink+boots or something similar) and just go ham whole game long. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
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ScarPe
Germany392 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:35 govie wrote: Maybe gonna see some wierd drafts+executions wheres 5 cores get time to farm there basic items (blink+boots or something similar) and just go ham whole game long. think this way. its very likely that most heros on your team get their core items, even if that games goes very onesided in the beginning. this are really insane buffs for supports known as very greedy. look at that spoiler. i am that warlock and had a very hard game. i still was able to get an agha and on a good way to refresher. the screenshot shows the game winning fight. we won, because that fight alone made gyro get a rapier :D he literaly just had his core items before the fight and came out with 5k gold. we won easily. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
"Omg, this game is like fucking easy mode, there is so much gold!" Both teams have 50 kills and he then solo pushes his incredibly farmed tinker into a tower, only to be killed by storm spirit and invoker, both who have hexes. Buys back, dies again. Bad habits are hard to break. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Plus the divine rapier on Meepo after ember dropped it. The game was super clowny. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
this is new | ||
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Deleted User 261926
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:41 ScarPe wrote: think this way. its very likely that most heros on your team get their core items, even if that games goes very onesided in the beginning. this are really insane buffs for supports known as very greedy. look at that spoiler. i am that warlock and had a very hard game. i still was able to get an agha and on a good way to refresher. the screenshot shows the game winning fight. we won, because that fight alone made gyro get a rapier :D he literaly just had his core items before the fight and came out with 5k gold. we won easily. + Show Spoiler + Are you saying this is good? Imagine being on the other side of that log, imagine how freaking frustrated you'd be having played a perfect early-midgame and then losing one bad teamfight, giving away a 10 000 gold net worth swing and losing the game. I'd uninstall and go do something rewarding instead. Even less people are going to want to play support in pub games in this patch. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Max backstab or even between W and E | ||
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