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[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-07 21:38:03
July 07 2012 21:32 GMT
#14101
On July 08 2012 03:30 Qbek wrote:
^put sniper there, realize he has 2 fingers, :C

Kosmo
Working with machinery, chemical explosives and gunpowder can all be extremely hazardous to both life and limb. For those in certain occupations, adjustments in finger-count may tend to occur over the course of a lifetime.
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
July 07 2012 22:38 GMT
#14102
On July 07 2012 17:17 Kaniol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 09:55 Varpulis wrote:
On July 06 2012 17:17 cecek wrote:
On July 06 2012 16:38 rabidch wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:43 TheYango wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:19 danielimotbh wrote:
So I always have this habit of discovering how good heroes are after thinking they weren't that great in DotA 1. It was probably my lack of skill back then, but heroes like Undying, now that I've had what I think is a great game with him, are really good after being able to play him again. How does he fit into the competitive scene, is he commonly picked up? Because it just seems like he has alot which synergizes with the current meta game.

He has some cute utility in some scenarios that make him a solid niche pick, but his lack of AoE, hard disables, or lategame carry potential mean that he doesn't really have the fundamentals.

He's basically a cheese hero.


Here's undying used in a pro game. It's in DotA between 2 Russian teams, OSI and M5 (not pgg. it was G, NS, AA, Dread, Santa). It's one of the best games I have ever seen, I really recommend watching it, don't want to spoil anything, but there are some very surprising moments.


this game makes me want to see bristleback in Dota 2. Looks so damn fun to play.

Watching this makes me wonder about 2 things when i compare current dota2 strats:
1) why does the girl say that doom bringer was a permaban back then?
2) why do we not see too many heal champs nowadays in competitive dota2? Chen is probably the only 1 strong pick that has a heal

There was the armor reduction, but also the metagame back then revolved around morphling and a lot of radiance heroes. Doom could get radiance faster than weaver/spectre and push into rax while they're useless, and teams were pretty heavily invested in that carry.

Sometime later (chinese) dota1 shifted towards more southeast asian picks (panda/dk/slardar) which could fight earlier with less farm, and did way more physical damage (except panda).

Artstyle picked doom on darer for awhile during the riki metagame, although I'm not entirely sure what the big picture was for that.
danielimotbh
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada130 Posts
July 07 2012 23:58 GMT
#14103
On July 08 2012 07:38 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 17:17 Kaniol wrote:
On July 07 2012 09:55 Varpulis wrote:
On July 06 2012 17:17 cecek wrote:
On July 06 2012 16:38 rabidch wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:43 TheYango wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:19 danielimotbh wrote:
So I always have this habit of discovering how good heroes are after thinking they weren't that great in DotA 1. It was probably my lack of skill back then, but heroes like Undying, now that I've had what I think is a great game with him, are really good after being able to play him again. How does he fit into the competitive scene, is he commonly picked up? Because it just seems like he has alot which synergizes with the current meta game.

He has some cute utility in some scenarios that make him a solid niche pick, but his lack of AoE, hard disables, or lategame carry potential mean that he doesn't really have the fundamentals.

He's basically a cheese hero.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI3dNyax-K4 Here's undying used in a pro game. It's in DotA between 2 Russian teams, OSI and M5 (not pgg. it was G, NS, AA, Dread, Santa). It's one of the best games I have ever seen, I really recommend watching it, don't want to spoil anything, but there are some very surprising moments.


this game makes me want to see bristleback in Dota 2. Looks so damn fun to play.

Watching this makes me wonder about 2 things when i compare current dota2 strats:
1) why does the girl say that doom bringer was a permaban back then?
2) why do we not see too many heal champs nowadays in competitive dota2? Chen is probably the only 1 strong pick that has a heal

There was the armor reduction, but also the metagame back then revolved around morphling and a lot of radiance heroes. Doom could get radiance faster than weaver/spectre and push into rax while they're useless, and teams were pretty heavily invested in that carry.

Sometime later (chinese) dota1 shifted towards more southeast asian picks (panda/dk/slardar) which could fight earlier with less farm, and did way more physical damage (except panda).

Artstyle picked doom on darer for awhile during the riki metagame, although I'm not entirely sure what the big picture was for that.


Probably for the fact that silence shuts riki out of going back into invisibility
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 08 2012 00:19 GMT
#14104
On July 08 2012 07:38 igotmyown wrote:
There was the armor reduction, but also the metagame back then revolved around morphling and a lot of radiance heroes. Doom could get radiance faster than weaver/spectre and push into rax while they're useless, and teams were pretty heavily invested in that carry.

He also got nerfed pretty significantly over a couple of patches.

Going from 4 base armor to 0 kind of wrecked his laning.
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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
July 08 2012 00:43 GMT
#14105
Woohooo so pumped!

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Jieun <3
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
July 08 2012 00:46 GMT
#14106
^ Congrats :-)

I did not know we could find couriers so that makes me happy.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
July 08 2012 00:49 GMT
#14107
Yeaaaa! Stumpy is great, he will win you many games. I went on a 10 game winning streak after I found mine
"I am a leaf on the wind."
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
July 08 2012 01:14 GMT
#14108
On July 08 2012 09:49 Hoban wrote:
Yeaaaa! Stumpy is great, he will win you many games. I went on a 10 game winning streak after I found mine


Lol hoban Just had a god awful loss right after finding him!
Jieun <3
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
July 08 2012 04:07 GMT
#14109
http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/comedyicons/

ROFL, goblin's greed is awesome.

@PHILtheTANK im so jealous T_T
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 08 2012 04:11 GMT
#14110
On July 08 2012 13:07 dragonborn wrote:
http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/comedyicons/

ROFL, goblin's greed is awesome.

@PHILtheTANK im so jealous T_T

flamebreak
strafe
lvl death (LOLLL)
life break
hellfire blast
shukuchi

hahaahahhahaa
=Þ
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 04:37:16
July 08 2012 04:23 GMT
#14111
wow someone in my next game just got a ridiculously sweet juggernaut item, this mythical sword.

Edit: Anybody else having trouble finding matches?
Jieun <3
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
July 08 2012 04:51 GMT
#14112
On July 08 2012 13:23 PHILtheTANK wrote:
wow someone in my next game just got a ridiculously sweet juggernaut item, this mythical sword.

Edit: Anybody else having trouble finding matches?

I have trouble finding matches with good players.
=Þ
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
July 08 2012 06:19 GMT
#14113
On July 08 2012 13:51 Heh_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 13:23 PHILtheTANK wrote:
wow someone in my next game just got a ridiculously sweet juggernaut item, this mythical sword.

Edit: Anybody else having trouble finding matches?

I have trouble finding matches with good players.


Me too! But thats because im awful, so it places me with other awful people
Jieun <3
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 08 2012 06:28 GMT
#14114
have never had any drop thats better than uncommon
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 08 2012 06:57 GMT
#14115
why does it seem like USW is the only server to ever go down :<
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
July 08 2012 07:17 GMT
#14116
Just saw a really funny bug in my game, after dying, our prophet became naked for the rest of the game.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Jieun <3
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
July 08 2012 09:59 GMT
#14117
Anyone got a spare key and nothing to do with it? Trying to get one for a friend.
Moderator
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 08 2012 10:28 GMT
#14118
On July 08 2012 07:38 igotmyown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2012 17:17 Kaniol wrote:
On July 07 2012 09:55 Varpulis wrote:
On July 06 2012 17:17 cecek wrote:
On July 06 2012 16:38 rabidch wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:43 TheYango wrote:
On July 06 2012 15:19 danielimotbh wrote:
So I always have this habit of discovering how good heroes are after thinking they weren't that great in DotA 1. It was probably my lack of skill back then, but heroes like Undying, now that I've had what I think is a great game with him, are really good after being able to play him again. How does he fit into the competitive scene, is he commonly picked up? Because it just seems like he has alot which synergizes with the current meta game.

He has some cute utility in some scenarios that make him a solid niche pick, but his lack of AoE, hard disables, or lategame carry potential mean that he doesn't really have the fundamentals.

He's basically a cheese hero.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI3dNyax-K4 Here's undying used in a pro game. It's in DotA between 2 Russian teams, OSI and M5 (not pgg. it was G, NS, AA, Dread, Santa). It's one of the best games I have ever seen, I really recommend watching it, don't want to spoil anything, but there are some very surprising moments.


this game makes me want to see bristleback in Dota 2. Looks so damn fun to play.

Watching this makes me wonder about 2 things when i compare current dota2 strats:
1) why does the girl say that doom bringer was a permaban back then?
2) why do we not see too many heal champs nowadays in competitive dota2? Chen is probably the only 1 strong pick that has a heal

There was the armor reduction, but also the metagame back then revolved around morphling and a lot of radiance heroes. Doom could get radiance faster than weaver/spectre and push into rax while they're useless, and teams were pretty heavily invested in that carry.

Sometime later (chinese) dota1 shifted towards more southeast asian picks (panda/dk/slardar) which could fight earlier with less farm, and did way more physical damage (except panda).

Artstyle picked doom on darer for awhile during the riki metagame, although I'm not entirely sure what the big picture was for that.


The vanguard+radiance push timing of the doom is more related to the way that he is an excellent dual core hero and that he completely shuts the opposing mid down early game (very strong laning) and their carry down mid-late game while being extremely tanky. By removing his ability to destroy most mids in lane, he essentially became no longer viable in his role.

By the later parts of the 4-1 meta he was obviously too weak to solo mid or side and had no place in a trilane, and thus almost unusable, which is a direct result of nerfs as opposed to a meta shift.

The metagame shift into push based heroes happened much later to a doomless meta, into one dominated by Sylla, Lycan, Brood, CK, Panda, and DK, which are pushing cores that can hold their own in lane, mature extremely quickly to strong pushing, as well as being able to carry lategame to an extent. Doom actually would fit into this quite well aside from the fact that 0 armor means he really can't lane and thus was still out of consideration, this was at least 1.5 years ago

(neither panda nor dk was from the SEA meta), the Chinese generally picked up QoP and Slardar as well as bottle crowing from SEA, and this is from a few months ago
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
July 08 2012 10:43 GMT
#14119
Is there any place I can check for the history of DotA 1 trends and how they shifted from 4+1 to today's push strats?
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
July 08 2012 11:00 GMT
#14120
On July 08 2012 19:43 [17]Purple wrote:
Is there any place I can check for the history of DotA 1 trends and how they shifted from 4+1 to today's push strats?


Try this?

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/History_of_Competitive_DotA
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