EPTSo cut him some slack. This is literally the area where he cannot be even the slightest bit objective.
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
So cut him some slack. This is literally the area where he cannot be even the slightest bit objective. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:10 Acritter wrote: Okay, I actually followed this guy from YEARS back. Back in SC2's heyday, before beta was released. He's actually capable of being a really incisive and clever guy, and he also hates DotA with a passion. He's one of the people who can't forgive it for being popular, because love it or hate it, it was basically impossible to escape on the Custom Games page. This entire article is him finding justifications to hate something that never really drew his attention and that he loathed for unrelated reasons, which is also why I absolutely refuse to play League or Civ V, even if it's for the purpose of "seeing how bad it is." So cut him some slack. This is literally the area where he cannot be even the slightest bit objective. hey, why the hate for Civ5  | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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TomatoBisque
United States6290 Posts
On September 08 2014 15:10 njt7 wrote: I am reading his chapter on the camera and I cant get over why he didnt just double tap his portrait and play on with a happy face. The camera thing is amazing since he's not upset that there's no option for it, he's upset that the game wasn't designed to only be played with a fixed camera and that it wasn't the only option for ~immersion~ Also damn, I knew he had an axe to grind with TL but I didn't know he had an account and started arguments here. That thread is a great read | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2794 Posts
That's kinda the hinge-point for me respecting the dude at all. He flies the flag of "I'm a prodigy when it comes to understanding game design" but that's a bit of a sore spot for me, because I -have- designed games and have met with / worked with people carrying the same attitude, and they're invariably pains-in-the-ass and at least three times as arrogant as they are helpful. I mean, based on how he seems to pull everything else straight out of his ass, I very greatly doubt he's got any... but if he's actually made even a remotely decent game, it'd be nice to know. | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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r_con
United States824 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:10 Acritter wrote: Okay, I actually followed this guy from YEARS back. Back in SC2's heyday, before beta was released. He's actually capable of being a really incisive and clever guy, and he also hates DotA with a passion. He's one of the people who can't forgive it for being popular, because love it or hate it, it was basically impossible to escape on the Custom Games page. This entire article is him finding justifications to hate something that never really drew his attention and that he loathed for unrelated reasons, which is also why I absolutely refuse to play League or Civ V, even if it's for the purpose of "seeing how bad it is." So cut him some slack. This is literally the area where he cannot be even the slightest bit objective. He is writing a fucking "book" on the subject, what kind of deep seated hatred make this guy dislike dota/lol so much. He has a whole spiel about how other games are defined and made from scratch based on their engine. let me quote the dude What this should demonstrate is that dota was not a matter of genius and great design, but of circumstance and impediment. When developers were creating the blueprints for their genres—id Software and the FPS, Capcom and the fighting game, Westwood and the RTS—those companies had minimal preconceived notion of how these genres should play and what they should look like. But more importantly, they had the freedom, creative talent, and resources to define the experience. Dota is the only constantly evolving game that his its core gameplay essentially unaffected from commercial concerns and trying to appease to new coming players. Tell this to other genres like the FPS and fighting game genre, where sales and attempting to get newcomers to the genre can greatly influence how the very game is designed from the core up, against what perhaps the designer truly wants to make. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
But on a different note, here's something I'm not sure people here have seen. Go check out highper.ch. That's the URL. Not direct linking, because I'm pretty sure it'll be blocked by TL. Site loads slowly, but it works fine with Noscript enabled (stops Javascript from working, and thus makes most sites default-"safe"). Click the little "highperching" link at the top, and prepare yourself for a guide on one of the greatest ways to make people hate Warcraft III. Also, man. They've just kept uploading replays. There are some from this August there! | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:25 r_con wrote: He is writing a fucking "book" on the subject, what kind of deep seated hatred make this guy dislike dota/lol so much. He has a whole spiel about how other games are defined and made from scratch based on their engine. let me quote the dude Dota is the only constantly evolving game that his its core gameplay essentially unaffected from commercial concerns and trying to appease to new coming players. Tell this to other genres like the FPS and fighting game genre, where sales and attempting to get newcomers to the genre can greatly influence how the very game is designed from the core up, against what perhaps the designer truly wants to make. I dunno. Probably still hasn't gotten over the shock of Warcraft 3, or really understood team games in general. I'm guessing he watched from the very launch of the game, where people actually played the core game with one another, and then saw the nightmare-figure of DotA looming up out of the primeval seas. It's his own personal white whale. You gotta take the Ahabs of this world in stride. They can still do some pretty neat stuff even if they're complete monomaniacs. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2794 Posts
It's like the pinnacle of terrible, awful design that's fun as fuck because of it. Disclaimer : Not actually my favorite RPG by any stretch. Just random namedropping. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:27 Kupon3ss wrote: The issue is that he actually knows jack shit about games and game design, when asked about on the field of jrpgs he cites fucking ff7 and OoT... Do not attack the enemy where he is strong | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:27 Kupon3ss wrote: The issue is that he actually knows jack shit about games and game design, when asked about on the field of jrpgs he cites fucking ff7 and OoT... curious, is ff7 not considered a jrpg? Eh probably isn't there is no visual novel love decisions. | ||
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andyrau
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 08 2014 16:45 andyrau wrote: so for people that didn't really want to skim through his drivel does he actually mention any 'well designed games' that he approves of? He mentions plenty on his actual site. He loved Uncharted 2, for example, and quite frankly I have to agree. That game was utterly perfect for what it was trying to do. It was an action/adventure movie that you got to star in as the unstoppable main character, and was beautifully cinematic in every part of it. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Oh well, it's plenty entertaining to read for me. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
It's certainly not rational, but it's not quite mindless. He certainly is a sad figure as far as this topic is concerned, though. | ||
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Kishin2
United States7534 Posts
"But what I will say is this: I want this to be as controversial as a well-intentioned, well-written argument can be. I want to get this posted on every part of the internet where dota is being discussed. Not just because I love the attention. I want this book to spark a sorely needed debate... And I want them to do this, because if I have accomplished the things that I believe I have accomplished, I will have demonstrated that I am most certainly an expert. What they have to say will only attract attention to the truth." Does he think he's a messiah or something? I think it'd be interesting to read if he didn't use such a condescending tone. | ||
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