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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 07:28:03
March 12 2012 07:26 GMT
#4261
On March 12 2012 14:29 Tryhat wrote:
The patch is live now in Dota 2 or are you discussing it anyway?

Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 10:49 Zlasher wrote:
I tried checking playdota for the hero listing but it doesn't list what level the skills are available, and I'm downloading Diablo 3 beta so I can't play a Dota2 game without lagging badly right now lol.


Silliest brag I've seen in quite some time...


thinly veiled I HAS DIABLO 3 BETA KEY brag.

Ontopic, thoughts on Drums on Mirana?while it is a very good item, it delays her manta by alot and mirana is kinda useless as a rightclick until she gets manta +1 damage item.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 07:31:14
March 12 2012 07:30 GMT
#4262
On March 12 2012 16:26 Kipsate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 14:29 Tryhat wrote:
The patch is live now in Dota 2 or are you discussing it anyway?

On March 12 2012 10:49 Zlasher wrote:
I tried checking playdota for the hero listing but it doesn't list what level the skills are available, and I'm downloading Diablo 3 beta so I can't play a Dota2 game without lagging badly right now lol.


Silliest brag I've seen in quite some time...


thinly veiled I HAS DIABLO 3 BETA KEY brag.

Ontopic, thoughts on Drums on Mirana?while it is a very good item, it delays her manta by alot and mirana is kinda useless as a rightclick until she gets manta +1 damage item.

when i'm doing bad i get yasha jango in some order, mainly because jango is far easier and faster to get than an ultimate orb yet is better than it, then i either build manta or just go straight damage item. i dont really like potm though this is my 2 cents
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 12 2012 07:39 GMT
#4263
Gives great stats, ms, as and has a great active, whats not to like, if you arent farming very well its the perfect item to go for
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 12 2012 08:06 GMT
#4264
pomt isnt a good 100% guarentee stun ganker so most of the time team picked her as a semi carry. This mean that you need at least 2 DPS items stepping into late game to actually deal sm dmg... Not even counting that you also need BKB to survive...

overall not a big fan of her :-/ but the ultimate instead of smoke is awesome though @_@
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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 12 2012 08:31 GMT
#4265
So I was thinking of this after playing some games today and trying to carry. How do you guys carry in pubs when you have a team of people that don't want to initiate? Since in playing the carry you don't really wanna initiate either. So team fights turn into this "someone decides to man up, usually the other team" kinda fights. And then we get wrecked. I'm really enjoying playing razor lately but it's just so hard to go on someone when no one on my team wants to man up and charge in there.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 12 2012 08:48 GMT
#4266
On March 12 2012 17:31 Xinder wrote:
So I was thinking of this after playing some games today and trying to carry. How do you guys carry in pubs when you have a team of people that don't want to initiate? Since in playing the carry you don't really wanna initiate either. So team fights turn into this "someone decides to man up, usually the other team" kinda fights. And then we get wrecked. I'm really enjoying playing razor lately but it's just so hard to go on someone when no one on my team wants to man up and charge in there.

pick heroes that control teamfights... rashta, invoker, QoP etc... You can simply control the out come of the entire game by good ganking and winning teamfights.

dont try shits like AM or furions, it require your team knowing how to turtle while you farm up and thats often too much
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Narcind
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden2489 Posts
March 12 2012 08:58 GMT
#4267
On March 12 2012 08:52 Zlasher wrote:
Every time someone says "YOU DONT THINK THIS HERO IS GOOD??? WELL WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE ME DO THIS BUILD" I just want to bash my head through the fucking wall.


I had a guy say this the other day. MoM basher riki. I was not impressed.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 12 2012 08:59 GMT
#4268
either pick void (you can initiate with your ulti), mirana (tell your team to go in with your ulti before you pop it, most of the time pubs can do that at least, and a lucky arrow can mean you get an awesome initiation), or AFK farm until you can 1v5 them.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 12 2012 09:02 GMT
#4269
On March 12 2012 17:48 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 17:31 Xinder wrote:
So I was thinking of this after playing some games today and trying to carry. How do you guys carry in pubs when you have a team of people that don't want to initiate? Since in playing the carry you don't really wanna initiate either. So team fights turn into this "someone decides to man up, usually the other team" kinda fights. And then we get wrecked. I'm really enjoying playing razor lately but it's just so hard to go on someone when no one on my team wants to man up and charge in there.

pick heroes that control teamfights... rashta, invoker, QoP etc... You can simply control the out come of the entire game by good ganking and winning teamfights.

dont try shits like AM or furions, it require your team knowing how to turtle while you farm up and thats often too much


I had been messing around with Rhasta and QoP but it always seemed that no matter how my early game went/ganking went. It was never enough to seal the outcome of the game. Maybe I just need more practice.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
March 12 2012 09:09 GMT
#4270
On March 12 2012 08:52 Zlasher wrote:
Every time someone says "YOU DONT THINK THIS HERO IS GOOD??? WELL WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE ME DO THIS BUILD" I just want to bash my head through the fucking wall.

There's a diference between a"burize divine rapier ursa" and a hardcore support abbadon :<

The best thing bout Abba is that all his supportive spells can also be used offensively and that he doesn't need to care bout himself thanks to the ult. Going Urn mek vlads pipe hex is like crazy good, seriously, just get a good dps to heal with all that shit.
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 12 2012 09:29 GMT
#4271
On March 12 2012 18:02 Xinder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 17:48 NB wrote:
On March 12 2012 17:31 Xinder wrote:
So I was thinking of this after playing some games today and trying to carry. How do you guys carry in pubs when you have a team of people that don't want to initiate? Since in playing the carry you don't really wanna initiate either. So team fights turn into this "someone decides to man up, usually the other team" kinda fights. And then we get wrecked. I'm really enjoying playing razor lately but it's just so hard to go on someone when no one on my team wants to man up and charge in there.

pick heroes that control teamfights... rashta, invoker, QoP etc... You can simply control the out come of the entire game by good ganking and winning teamfights.

dont try shits like AM or furions, it require your team knowing how to turtle while you farm up and thats often too much


I had been messing around with Rhasta and QoP but it always seemed that no matter how my early game went/ganking went. It was never enough to seal the outcome of the game. Maybe I just need more practice.

the key is that once all the tier 1 go down, just ward their jungle and control their farm. Smoke up a team of 3 and just catch their key heroes off guard and maintain the lead to take tier 2. This is where pub normally fucked up bc ward and smoke are not commonly seen and you require a good disable line up to pull off.

Rashta, QoP, Invoker, NS are just perfect to get the job done.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 12 2012 09:39 GMT
#4272
On March 12 2012 18:29 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 18:02 Xinder wrote:
On March 12 2012 17:48 NB wrote:
On March 12 2012 17:31 Xinder wrote:
So I was thinking of this after playing some games today and trying to carry. How do you guys carry in pubs when you have a team of people that don't want to initiate? Since in playing the carry you don't really wanna initiate either. So team fights turn into this "someone decides to man up, usually the other team" kinda fights. And then we get wrecked. I'm really enjoying playing razor lately but it's just so hard to go on someone when no one on my team wants to man up and charge in there.

pick heroes that control teamfights... rashta, invoker, QoP etc... You can simply control the out come of the entire game by good ganking and winning teamfights.

dont try shits like AM or furions, it require your team knowing how to turtle while you farm up and thats often too much


I had been messing around with Rhasta and QoP but it always seemed that no matter how my early game went/ganking went. It was never enough to seal the outcome of the game. Maybe I just need more practice.

the key is that once all the tier 1 go down, just ward their jungle and control their farm. Smoke up a team of 3 and just catch their key heroes off guard and maintain the lead to take tier 2. This is where pub normally fucked up bc ward and smoke are not commonly seen and you require a good disable line up to pull off.

Rashta, QoP, Invoker, NS are just perfect to get the job done.

any reason you call him "Rashta" and not "Rhasta"?
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Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 12 2012 10:02 GMT
#4273
@NB off topic on talking about heroes and pubs. How was playing against Blitz and Catz? I saw the end of that with you playing Veno and what not.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 10:44:25
March 12 2012 10:04 GMT
#4274
they were terrible... last time i raped them with riki and now venom :-/

pugna decrep himself to take more gale dmg... ~_~

On March 12 2012 18:39 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 18:29 NB wrote:
On March 12 2012 18:02 Xinder wrote:
On March 12 2012 17:48 NB wrote:
On March 12 2012 17:31 Xinder wrote:
So I was thinking of this after playing some games today and trying to carry. How do you guys carry in pubs when you have a team of people that don't want to initiate? Since in playing the carry you don't really wanna initiate either. So team fights turn into this "someone decides to man up, usually the other team" kinda fights. And then we get wrecked. I'm really enjoying playing razor lately but it's just so hard to go on someone when no one on my team wants to man up and charge in there.

pick heroes that control teamfights... rashta, invoker, QoP etc... You can simply control the out come of the entire game by good ganking and winning teamfights.

dont try shits like AM or furions, it require your team knowing how to turtle while you farm up and thats often too much


I had been messing around with Rhasta and QoP but it always seemed that no matter how my early game went/ganking went. It was never enough to seal the outcome of the game. Maybe I just need more practice.

the key is that once all the tier 1 go down, just ward their jungle and control their farm. Smoke up a team of 3 and just catch their key heroes off guard and maintain the lead to take tier 2. This is where pub normally fucked up bc ward and smoke are not commonly seen and you require a good disable line up to pull off.

Rashta, QoP, Invoker, NS are just perfect to get the job done.

any reason you call him "Rashta" and not "Rhasta"?


uneducated and literate? .... joking but its my auto spelling correct -_-
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zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 11:18:00
March 12 2012 11:17 GMT
#4275
anyone else finding they haven't been playing sc2 as much with more and more dota instead?
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 11:53:33
March 12 2012 11:51 GMT
#4276
On March 12 2012 19:04 NB wrote:
pugna decrep himself to take more gale dmg... ~_~

Did you use your ultimate before he Decrepified himself?

The Poison Nova debuff is based on the WC3 spell Phoenix Fire, which is a physical-typed debuff--so even though the damage done is magical, gaining physical immunity (via Decrepify) dispels the debuff. So while Decrepify would amplify Venomous Gale damage, dispelling Poison Nova should cause him to take less damage overall.

Note that Decrepifying yourself BEFORE Poison Nova doesn't prevent the debuff from being applied--and causes you to take more damage as expected.
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PredPrey
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany46 Posts
March 12 2012 12:09 GMT
#4277
On March 12 2012 20:51 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 19:04 NB wrote:
pugna decrep himself to take more gale dmg... ~_~

Did you use your ultimate before he Decrepified himself?

The Poison Nova debuff is based on the WC3 spell Phoenix Fire, which is a physical-typed debuff--so even though the damage done is magical, gaining physical immunity (via Decrepify) dispels the debuff. So while Decrepify would amplify Venomous Gale damage, dispelling Poison Nova should cause him to take less damage overall.

Note that Decrepifying yourself BEFORE Poison Nova doesn't prevent the debuff from being applied--and causes you to take more damage as expected.


Wow, that is a wonderful example of how Dota 2 is waaaaaaaaaaaay too complicated in an unnecessary way. Sure I get used to it quite quickly with all my videogame experience but srsly, they should "simplify" the game drastically. More experienced players will still rape newcomers no matter what, but the learning curve is too extreme.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
March 12 2012 12:12 GMT
#4278
The real question is if this is still like that in dota2
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 12:15:02
March 12 2012 12:14 GMT
#4279
On March 12 2012 21:09 PredPrey wrote:
Wow, that is a wonderful example of how Dota 2 is waaaaaaaaaaaay too complicated in an unnecessary way. Sure I get used to it quite quickly with all my videogame experience but srsly, they should "simplify" the game drastically. More experienced players will still rape newcomers no matter what, but the learning curve is too extreme.

I'll be honest, I don't actually know if it functions this way in DotA 2--just positing why an experienced Pugna player might have Decrepified himself in that scenario. I know that certain mechanics that were a product of the WC3 engine HAVE been simplified (Batrider no longer gets immunity to certain spells from being a flying unit, orb effect interaction table cleaned up a ton). A lot of these complexities aren't really intentional, and are largely a product of the limitations of the Warcraft 3 engine. Certainly, insofar as many of them are minimally relevant to balance (e.g. making the orb effect priorities more sensible won't change the fact that you rarely want to stack orbs), I think Icefrog is already making an effort to simplify.
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ilovelings
Profile Joined January 2011
Argentina776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-12 12:40:28
March 12 2012 12:33 GMT
#4280
Nope. I don't want a simpler game. If I wanted a simpler game I would still be playing sc2.

Am I the only one who's having problems with the owned.tv streaming site? It crashes my pc.

Oh btw, South American servers were released. The problem is that I get lower latency on US EAST (330ms vs 180 in USEAST)
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