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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 11 2012 16:46 GMT
#4041
On March 12 2012 01:41 cilinder007 wrote:
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On March 12 2012 00:39 Shikyo wrote:
Tinker can "solo gank" incredibly well starting from like lvl 5 or whatever. You don't need a BoT or blink for that.

However how were you even planning on solo ganking with BoT and a blink? You blink to them and what? You die instantly? I think you should rather play clockwork or something

like I posted a you tube video a few post earlier that showcases how effective ganking with blink can be in pubs, and you do 371 dmg with both nukes at lvl 5 I dont see how you can solo gank effectively then
So it's effective vs noobs or something? Well as I said, just play clockwork instead.

You really don't think 371 damage after reduction when most sidelaners are in the 500-700 max hp range is good for ganking? -.-


Here's a hypotetical situation: You blink onto a Lion and Q W dagon, he sheeps you and you get killed by his combo and perhaps teammate help


In which case is that really useful? When the enemy team is retarded enough to walk in march of the machines?
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 11 2012 16:51 GMT
#4042
On March 12 2012 00:58 TheYango wrote:
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On March 12 2012 00:52 NB wrote:
good rune control solve everything

I'm not sure how "good rune control" is relevant to getting 2-3 more combos off in a fight or push. Unless it's a regen rune, but you can't rely on getting regen runes all the time.

On other heroes, Soul Ring is a sustained mana restore item. But because of how it interacts with Tinker specifically, repeatedly rearming Soul Ring is worth the value of like 2 Energy Boosters in mana for less than the cost of 1.


How do you play tinker in teamfights without a soul ring? Not to mention that it gives you the mana required to tp when you deplete your mana. Its like playing without BoT. Sure it works. Are there better options? Totally.
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 11 2012 16:52 GMT
#4043
no its effective against un-organised teams

I think you should be ganking after you get bot's or only with good runes and even then if they have wards you are just waisting time

here's a non-hypotetical example


and if you want a replay of some of that : http://www.playdota.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=58366
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 16:52 GMT
#4044
how longer to It's Gosu vs Dignitas?

nvm right when i ask that the intro starts lol
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 16:55 GMT
#4045
i remember reading somewhere in this thread about NaVi losing in some single elimination ro16 for some tourny, which is it and is there a vod somewhere?
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 11 2012 16:55 GMT
#4046
you dont gank at level 5...wtf... at least lv 7 is needed for lv4 laser. Pure dmg is HUGE. Even if you stay mid, 1 laser is 1/3 most solo-er on the enemy team and keep them back else the 2nd laser + missle will mark their death.

once you hit lv7(or lv8), choose the lane that has disablers and grab rune, ->>> laser ->>> missle -->>> money ->>> back to rune.pick up kill during this period is so crucial for tinker bc you will need to get ahead stepping into mid game. Killing off supports also mark the lack of money for their ward/rune control therefore more gank, more kills.around lv 10 you should be able to get BoT and enter mid game phase.

blink/dagon is just a for fun item on tinker to rape noob in pub, dont take into it seriously.... if you really have trouble with mobilty despite BoT, force staff is the way to go even though i think sheep+ BKB is more than enough to rape any noob.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 16:56 GMT
#4047
YAY DARK SEER
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 17:00:17
March 11 2012 16:57 GMT
#4048
On March 12 2012 01:52 cilinder007 wrote:
I think you should be ganking after you get bot's or only with good runes and even then if they have wards you are just waisting time

While I agree that it's not reliable to gank without a good rune, wards should not deter you from ganking if you get Invis or Haste. You can just TP to that lane's tower and gank down the lane using either rune.

Hell, even if you get DD, you can buy a Smoke to gank past wards.

Honestly, people don't use Smoke enough in pubs, ESPECIALLY early game. As a solo mid it's easy as fuck to use Smoke to get free sidelane kills because people get this false sense of security just because they have a ward. Had this Huskar one game who complained he couldn't gank because everything was warded--when I suggested that he just buy a Smoke, he raged out and said "noob support should buy smoke"--even though it's totally reasonable for mid to buy Smoke when the cost of Smoke is less than the gold gain from a successful gank.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 16:59:41
March 11 2012 16:59 GMT
#4049
I saw that video when it was posted in this thread earlier and you can do so much more with a hex than with a dagon and it also has nothing to do with un-organized, the opponents just are terrible
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 11 2012 17:00 GMT
#4050
well ofc you can rape noobs going mass bf or w/e but this is like waaaay more effective for pubstomping than hex first or forcestaff first and its more micro intensive -> more fun
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 17:02:21
March 11 2012 17:01 GMT
#4051
Wait how are people advocating not getting laser? It does such retarded damage. Once you hit lvl 8, your laser + HSM does exactly 564 damage after resistances. Get an ally to stun the guy or do a little bit of damage and it's a guaranteed kill.

Even if you're pushing, MotM takes a while to ramp up and also requires so much mana to spam that it's much better to farm heroes until you get BoT.
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 17:02 GMT
#4052
anyone else happy that cm is back to 5 bans?
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 17:03 GMT
#4053
anyone watching ItG vs Dignitas here? because Dignitas' lineup is just screaming for teamfights lol
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 11 2012 17:08 GMT
#4054
action packed already :D
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 17:17:32
March 11 2012 17:11 GMT
#4055
oh wow, i dont see how ItG can win this, this is such a terrible lineup to fight against dignitas' lineup lol

well good to see me being proved wrong lol ItG puting up a nice fight
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Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
March 11 2012 17:18 GMT
#4056
On March 12 2012 01:55 konadora wrote:
i remember reading somewhere in this thread about NaVi losing in some single elimination ro16 for some tourny, which is it and is there a vod somewhere?


this dignitas tourn, against Next.kz
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 17:24 GMT
#4057
15 mins beyond godlike by comewithme, nice :p
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Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-11 17:26:54
March 11 2012 17:26 GMT
#4058
HAHAHAHA!!!!! ComeWithMe gets the QUAD but then gets hit by Roshan when hes fatally bonded and kills his entire team. looooooolllll
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66359 Posts
March 11 2012 17:26 GMT
#4059
HAHAHAHAA THAT FATAL BONDS LOL

ROSHAN FORCES 3 DEATHS ON DIGNITAS HAHAHA
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
March 11 2012 17:27 GMT
#4060
That was the weirdest teamfight I have ever seen
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
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