On March 12 2012 00:39 Shikyo wrote: Tinker can "solo gank" incredibly well starting from like lvl 5 or whatever. You don't need a BoT or blink for that.
However how were you even planning on solo ganking with BoT and a blink? You blink to them and what? You die instantly? I think you should rather play clockwork or something
like I posted a you tube video a few post earlier that showcases how effective ganking with blink can be in pubs, and you do 371 dmg with both nukes at lvl 5 I dont see how you can solo gank effectively then
So it's effective vs noobs or something? Well as I said, just play clockwork instead.
You really don't think 371 damage after reduction when most sidelaners are in the 500-700 max hp range is good for ganking? -.-
Here's a hypotetical situation: You blink onto a Lion and Q W dagon, he sheeps you and you get killed by his combo and perhaps teammate help
In which case is that really useful? When the enemy team is retarded enough to walk in march of the machines?
On March 12 2012 00:52 NB wrote: good rune control solve everything
I'm not sure how "good rune control" is relevant to getting 2-3 more combos off in a fight or push. Unless it's a regen rune, but you can't rely on getting regen runes all the time.
On other heroes, Soul Ring is a sustained mana restore item. But because of how it interacts with Tinker specifically, repeatedly rearming Soul Ring is worth the value of like 2 Energy Boosters in mana for less than the cost of 1.
How do you play tinker in teamfights without a soul ring? Not to mention that it gives you the mana required to tp when you deplete your mana. Its like playing without BoT. Sure it works. Are there better options? Totally.
i remember reading somewhere in this thread about NaVi losing in some single elimination ro16 for some tourny, which is it and is there a vod somewhere?
you dont gank at level 5...wtf... at least lv 7 is needed for lv4 laser. Pure dmg is HUGE. Even if you stay mid, 1 laser is 1/3 most solo-er on the enemy team and keep them back else the 2nd laser + missle will mark their death.
once you hit lv7(or lv8), choose the lane that has disablers and grab rune, ->>> laser ->>> missle -->>> money ->>> back to rune.pick up kill during this period is so crucial for tinker bc you will need to get ahead stepping into mid game. Killing off supports also mark the lack of money for their ward/rune control therefore more gank, more kills.around lv 10 you should be able to get BoT and enter mid game phase.
blink/dagon is just a for fun item on tinker to rape noob in pub, dont take into it seriously.... if you really have trouble with mobilty despite BoT, force staff is the way to go even though i think sheep+ BKB is more than enough to rape any noob.
On March 12 2012 01:52 cilinder007 wrote: I think you should be ganking after you get bot's or only with good runes and even then if they have wards you are just waisting time
While I agree that it's not reliable to gank without a good rune, wards should not deter you from ganking if you get Invis or Haste. You can just TP to that lane's tower and gank down the lane using either rune.
Hell, even if you get DD, you can buy a Smoke to gank past wards.
Honestly, people don't use Smoke enough in pubs, ESPECIALLY early game. As a solo mid it's easy as fuck to use Smoke to get free sidelane kills because people get this false sense of security just because they have a ward. Had this Huskar one game who complained he couldn't gank because everything was warded--when I suggested that he just buy a Smoke, he raged out and said "noob support should buy smoke"--even though it's totally reasonable for mid to buy Smoke when the cost of Smoke is less than the gold gain from a successful gank.
I saw that video when it was posted in this thread earlier and you can do so much more with a hex than with a dagon and it also has nothing to do with un-organized, the opponents just are terrible
well ofc you can rape noobs going mass bf or w/e but this is like waaaay more effective for pubstomping than hex first or forcestaff first and its more micro intensive -> more fun
Wait how are people advocating not getting laser? It does such retarded damage. Once you hit lvl 8, your laser + HSM does exactly 564 damage after resistances. Get an ally to stun the guy or do a little bit of damage and it's a guaranteed kill.
Even if you're pushing, MotM takes a while to ramp up and also requires so much mana to spam that it's much better to farm heroes until you get BoT.
On March 12 2012 01:55 konadora wrote: i remember reading somewhere in this thread about NaVi losing in some single elimination ro16 for some tourny, which is it and is there a vod somewhere?
EPT
