Patch 6.81 - Page 19

On April 27 2014 23:28 Alaric wrote:
Isn't the Mjollnir fix pretty important for several heroes who bought it in DotA but not in DotA 2?

On April 27 2014 20:46 Acritter wrote:
I think everyone hyping up the Frost Armor changes is forgetting that Frost Armor, unlike Living Armor, is NOT GLOBAL CAST! This totally changes the dynamic of the hero. Instead of it being run-around-and-cast-spell-when-needed, it becomes babysit-tower-instead-of-doing-things. Lich can slow down pushes, to be sure, but he can't stop them and he needs to be quite close to the tower (and thus vulnerable) in in order to do so. KotL has much better counterpush potential. Finally, the big thing about Living Armor is that it heals. It can reverse the effort the enemy team puts in. Frost Armor only delays the inevitable.

On April 27 2014 20:48 Firebolt145 wrote:
If you're not going to go around countering tower pushes by the time you have enough levels in Frost Armor to make it worthwhile what else are you going to do as Lich anyway

On April 28 2014 01:13 Elizar wrote:
Why would anyone buff Ursa? He is strong ennough already.
Just had a game where even a Viper couldnt slow him down enough.

On April 28 2014 01:56 theqat wrote:


Is that a joke? He's like the easiest melee carry to kite in the game. Buy some force staffs.

On April 28 2014 01:56 theqat wrote:


Is that a joke? He's like the easiest melee carry to kite in the game. Buy some force staffs.

On April 28 2014 01:56 theqat wrote:


Is that a joke? He's like the easiest melee carry to kite in the game. Buy some force staffs.

On April 28 2014 03:29 Surprise.820 wrote:
edit: This post isn't specifically in reply to the above, I'm just rambling about spectator perspectives for the sake of it.

He still gets a niche pick every so often in pro-games, I don't know why people are always so keen to forget this. There's obviously a reason why teams don't pick him right now and that's fine, but don't pretend he's a bad hero who never gets played ever.

edit: I guess the UAM is an attempt to give more options to the hero, I don't really see the problem with giving a deso, mask of madness, diffusal blade, skadi or satanic to Ursa, why not? Skadi and satanic strikes me as interesting because of the ult synergy and what both items offer to him. I do find the prospect of a stable lvl 5 solo Roshan terrifying tho.

On April 28 2014 04:52 Gaius Longinus wrote:
I don't know how I feel about addition of pseudo-random chance. The rare 99 procs in a row, while sucking for the other team, are always exciting and fun to watch. It was just the personality of DOTA2 as a game that sometimes these statistical improbabilities just happen, which add a lot of excitement to every game.

On April 27 2014 16:18 ahw wrote:


Kotl can farm the jungle fairly well, that's true.

Visage farms aggs by being a beast in team fights and getting hero kills.

Kotl is not like visage farm-wise

Edit: if kotl farms the lane then you got problems

On April 28 2014 05:22 Animzor wrote:
With shadow demon aghs, do you get 1 charge per 40 seconds or both charges after 40 seconds?

On April 28 2014 05:20 SKC wrote:
What DK did wasn't exactly a proper offlane. It's more like when Navi dodges an agressive trilane and puts Xboct in the "offlane" with a Spectre. They put their proper offlane hero (Puck) in the safelane and did an "agressive safelane". It's not something that can be easily replicated because it relies on your opponents trying to punish your safelane and you winning the mindgame. They did that specifically because Lycan is a weak laner.

If anything, Kotl benefits a lot from the safelane jungle, specially if you are considering him getting an Aghs. It's not like he will be getting the offlane farm in a duo lane and he can't rely on getting the jungle creeps on Dire side if the opposing safe lane isn't that weak.

Lich is a hero that may benefit a lot from the change as an offlane hero.

On April 28 2014 05:37 SKC wrote:
The point is that if the offlaner is legit then EG wouldn't do that strat. It was designed specifically to counter the Lycan. Zai himself said he should have stayed bottom, but that's besides the point. I was saying it's not a strat that should become more common because of the Aghs buff. DK only did that because they saw EG's plan and countered it, and so cannot be easily replicated. It relies on your opponents doing something very similar to what EG did. That doesn't happen all the time, much less if your carry is a better laner, and if you manage to counter their strat that well, the Aghs buff is meaningless.

It worked because DK could bully the safelane with just 2 heroes, since EG did a 1-2-1+jungle setup. That's not as easy to do most of the time.